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Les Drapeaux Brulants
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Postby Les Drapeaux Brulants » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:39 pm

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Les Drapeaux Brulants wrote:This is nothing like the tactics used by the Democrats to pit class against class and demand more tax revenue from the "wealthy", is it?

If you're looking for somebody to defend the Democrats in any way, don't look at me. I hate the Democrats only slightly less than I hate the Republicans, and only because the Democrats at least do me the courtesy of PRETENDING to believe I am a full human being.

I guess if being considered a human being means that you need to be shepherded by the government from cradle to grave, i.e. the government knows what's best for you because it's smarter than you, then I guess you're backing the right horse.

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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:41 pm

Les Drapeaux Brulants wrote:
Bottle wrote:If you're looking for somebody to defend the Democrats in any way, don't look at me. I hate the Democrats only slightly less than I hate the Republicans, and only because the Democrats at least do me the courtesy of PRETENDING to believe I am a full human being.

I guess if being considered a human being means that you need to be shepherded by the government from cradle to grave, i.e. the government knows what's best for you because it's smarter than you, then I guess you're backing the right horse.

Having social welfare doesn't mean that the government is shepherding people from cradle to grave.
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Postby Bottle » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:42 pm

Les Drapeaux Brulants wrote:
Bottle wrote:If you're looking for somebody to defend the Democrats in any way, don't look at me. I hate the Democrats only slightly less than I hate the Republicans, and only because the Democrats at least do me the courtesy of PRETENDING to believe I am a full human being.

I guess if being considered a human being means that you need to be shepherded by the government from cradle to grave, i.e. the government knows what's best for you because it's smarter than you, then I guess you're backing the right horse.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I don't back the Democrats.

However, if I were to decide to back a party based on whether they are likely to deliver smaller government, then I'd have to pick the Democrats over the GOP. After all, I was born during Reagan and first came of voting age under Bush II...the biggest expansions of government in my lifetime have been courtesy of Republican administrations!
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Postby MisanthropicPopulism » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:48 pm

Les Drapeaux Brulants wrote:
Bottle wrote:If you're looking for somebody to defend the Democrats in any way, don't look at me. I hate the Democrats only slightly less than I hate the Republicans, and only because the Democrats at least do me the courtesy of PRETENDING to believe I am a full human being.

I guess if being considered a human being means that you need to be shepherded by the government from cradle to grave, i.e. the government knows what's best for you because it's smarter than you, then I guess you're backing the right horse.

The Republicans run an impressively large, expensive, personally invasive government for a group of people that oppose any and all social programs.
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Postby Bottle » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:56 pm

MisanthropicPopulism wrote:
Les Drapeaux Brulants wrote:I guess if being considered a human being means that you need to be shepherded by the government from cradle to grave, i.e. the government knows what's best for you because it's smarter than you, then I guess you're backing the right horse.

The Republicans run an impressively large, expensive, personally invasive government for a group of people that oppose any and all social programs.

But the Republicans make a Daddy State, not a Mommy State.

See, Mommy State wants to make you go to school until you're 25, orders you to clean up your room (read: environment), and spends your allowance money on health insurance.

Daddy State wants to beat you for being queer, orders you to get a job RIGHT FUCKING NOW you lazy kid, and spends your allowance money on blowing up hospitals in some other country.

It's not about one party wanting to control your life less than the other, it's about which parts of your life they are interested in controlling.
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Postby Les Drapeaux Brulants » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:01 pm

MisanthropicPopulism wrote:
Les Drapeaux Brulants wrote:I guess if being considered a human being means that you need to be shepherded by the government from cradle to grave, i.e. the government knows what's best for you because it's smarter than you, then I guess you're backing the right horse.

The Republicans run an impressively large, expensive, personally invasive government for a group of people that oppose any and all social programs.

Ah, but I believe we are talking about the tea party movement here. One of the things that distinguishes the movement from the establishment Republican party, is its contempt for establishment politicians.

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Postby Aethyopea » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:02 pm

I never got why the tea partiers wanted to get the moderate republicans and RINOs out of the party. The US electoral system is built in such a way that it will gravitate towards a two-party system (sometimes other parties get through, but in the case of the tea party, they're so divided internally that I can't imagine them staying around for very long before collapsing under its own weight). So, if the system has only two parties, one being left wing and the other being right wing, then obviously the moderates on either side will need to cooperate with the extremes in their own parties to govern. That's the only way the voters are able to be represented in a two-party representative democracy.
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