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by Mikedor » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:17 am
Inherentjoydom wrote:I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate
by Neo Art » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:17 am
by Farnhamia » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:17 am
Inherentjoydom wrote:I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate
by Intangelon » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:17 am
Abdju wrote:Sibirsky wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
It was only a matter of time till someone tried to defend sweatshops a a superior example of production practise. The dubious honour, in this case, was yours.
Certainly superior to the alternative. The dubious claims are yours. Slave labor cannot save 30-40% of their income.
I thought it was 40-50%, re: your earlier post...
by Abdju » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:18 am
Inherentjoydom wrote:I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate
by Inherentjoydom » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:18 am
by Psychotic Mongooses » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:18 am
Neo Art wrote:I'm going to have a moment of open honesty here. I have cancer. Or, more likely, had. It's probably been cut out by now.
Prior to my surgery, 2 weeks ago, I was on a drug, imatinib, marketed in the US as gleevec. The maker hold a patent on it. There is ONE manufacturer. One. No negotiation, no shopping around, no looking for the best price. If I want the drug, I pay the cost.
I have good insurance. I thankfully paid $25 a month. I took 60 pills a month for 9 months. that's 540 pills. I paid $225 for my full course of treatment. Without insurance, Imatinib costs $130 a pill.
No, that's not a typo. Not "a month", not even "a day". A pill. 540 pills. $130 a pill. Without insurance, that drug would have cost me seventy THOUSAND dollars in 9 months.
Where, exactly, am I supposed to go if I can't afford that?
by Intangelon » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:18 am
Inherentjoydom wrote:I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate
by Inherentjoydom » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:19 am
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:19 am
Sibirsky wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Sibirsky wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
It was only a matter of time till someone tried to defend sweatshops a a superior example of production practise. The dubious honour, in this case, was yours.
Certainly superior to the alternative.
The alternative... you mean 'being paid a minimum wage, and not being compelled into slave labour conditions'?
Oh they have that option in China? For the masses? News to me.
by Farnhamia » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:19 am
by Saiwania » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:20 am
Sungai Pusat wrote:Saiwania wrote:I'm very capitalist and free market in belief but I feel it's going way too far to repeal minimum wage. Almost every country has set some form of minimum wage (could be too high, low, or at equilibrium) but nonetheless, I feel it's absolutely necessary to keep in place at this point. While the cons are that unskilled workers lose out whenever the minimum wage is increased and as a result, face unemployment and outsourcing. As well as prices for products and services being higher than without a minimum wage in place. I believe the pros of an enlarged middle class and a working class able to afford basic essentials outweigh any negatives. Ideally the minimum wage should only correlate to just under or at the current cost of living for an area.
So, you still want tons of unemployed lying around? Just great...,..
Your 'middle class' can also come out from no minimum wage. It is just because it has been here so long and it has supposedly helped for people employed in companies that can afford that they don't see the companies that can't afford.
by Sdaeriji » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:20 am
Sibirsky wrote:Sdaeriji wrote:Sith Korriban wrote:if you're bitten by a snake or chop your fucking arm off in an accident, you sort of want to survive, and that entails going to the closest doctor, not walking for five hours to find another one.
It doesn't even have to be such obscure injuries. If you get hurt in a car accident or have a heart attack, both things that literally happen to thousands of people every day, you don't really have the luxury of shopping around for a hospital, or even negotiating a rate with the closest hospital.
You shop around for insurance prior to needed to use it.
by Sibirsky » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:20 am
Qwcasd wrote:
After going through a few links, I saw 30%-50%, and that was total national savings, that wasn't the savings rate. And I would contend that is more of a cultural thing, and less of an economic thing. Chinese people hardly ever buy a house with mortgage, most save until they have enough dosh to buy the house all at once, and while they wait, live with their parents.
And I was never arguing that the Chinese were underpaid, (most of them, and that is not to say that there isn't a lot of deplorable things happening in China, civil and economically) considering there is a shortage of labour.
by Former NK Soldiers » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:20 am
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:20 am
by Inherentjoydom » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:20 am
by Sibirsky » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:21 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:Sibirsky wrote:Qwcasd wrote:Sibirsky wrote:Qwcasd wrote:Sibirsky wrote:
Most people getting minimum wage are high school students. That's gas, cigarette, beer, weed and god knows what else money. They aren't paying rent. They aren't paying for most of their food. They aren't paying for healthcare...
If my income went to the above, and nothing else, $160/week would be adequate.
Most are young That doesn't mean they are high school students, or that they are even going to school.
More than half are high school students if I remember correctly. Either way, you're talking about less than 2% of the population. Minimum wage limits opportunity at low wages now, and possible opportunity for higher wages later.
The stuff I have read just has said they are young, and most haven't been to College, but whatever. And, yes it doe only concern 2% of the population, but those 2% are lowest wage earners, and arguably the most vulnerable. I can hardly see how it limits opportunity, but I can see how it decreases poverty.
A low paying job, with hands on experience is better than an unemployment check.
Not if it won't feed you (and your family, if you have one).
Jeez. The sooner you people get into the real world, the sooner we can have real debates on NSG.
by Inherentjoydom » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:21 am
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:22 am
Sibirsky wrote:Mikedor wrote:Sibirsky wrote:
Explain to me how in a country with an average income of $20+/hr, removing a minimum wage of $7.25 would cause everyone's wages to drop. And cause all jobs to magically transform into sweatshop jobs.
Don't you think the minimum wage contributes towards the average income? And mean isn't that useful, in a situation like this mode is called for.
The mean wage of two people could be $100, if one earns $5 and the other $195, for instance.
Obviously minimum wage earners are also included in the average of all earners. All 2% of them.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:22 am
by Intangelon » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:23 am
Psychotic Mongooses wrote:Neo Art wrote:I'm going to have a moment of open honesty here. I have cancer. Or, more likely, had. It's probably been cut out by now.
Prior to my surgery, 2 weeks ago, I was on a drug, imatinib, marketed in the US as gleevec. The maker hold a patent on it. There is ONE manufacturer. One. No negotiation, no shopping around, no looking for the best price. If I want the drug, I pay the cost.
I have good insurance. I thankfully paid $25 a month. I took 60 pills a month for 9 months. that's 540 pills. I paid $225 for my full course of treatment. Without insurance, Imatinib costs $130 a pill.
No, that's not a typo. Not "a month", not even "a day". A pill. 540 pills. $130 a pill. Without insurance, that drug would have cost me seventy THOUSAND dollars in 9 months.
Where, exactly, am I supposed to go if I can't afford that?
Fuck.
Edit: That's me expressing shock and surprise.... not suggesting a way to afford it. Ahem, sorry.
by Intangelon » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:23 am
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