Why the minimum wage cannot help.

[Mikedor]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

You have to be 13 to be on the forum

[Neo Art]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Poe.

[Farnhamia]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

[The Archregimancy]

Feel free to take a job at $1/hour, see how that works for you.

Hey, we all know how happy and prosperous those sweatshop workers in China and India are! Why they're just rolling in dough! They're not worked to death for very little, nope, not at all!

They're rolling in enough dough to save 40-50% of it.

Yay slavery!

Is there a point you're trying to make? Because you're failing to do it.

It was only a matter of time till someone tried to defend sweatshops a a superior example of production practise. The dubious honour, in this case, was yours.

Certainly superior to the alternative. The dubious claims are yours. Slave labor cannot save 30-40% of their income.

I thought it was 40-50%, re: your earlier post...

Reposted, just because I love it when people can't keep track of what they pull out of their jacksey.

[Abdju]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

My friend, your debating is as awesome as your spelling.

[Qwcasd]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Really? He seems to be beating you pretty handily.

[Inherentjoydom]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

[Psychotic Mongooses]

I'm going to have a moment of open honesty here. I have cancer. Or, more likely, had. It's probably been cut out by now.

Prior to my surgery, 2 weeks ago, I was on a drug, imatinib, marketed in the US as gleevec. The maker hold a patent on it. There is ONE manufacturer. One. No negotiation, no shopping around, no looking for the best price. If I want the drug, I pay the cost.

I have good insurance. I thankfully paid $25 a month. I took 60 pills a month for 9 months. that's 540 pills. I paid $225 for my full course of treatment. Without insurance, Imatinib costs $130 a pill.

No, that's not a typo. Not "a month", not even "a day". A pill. 540 pills. $130 a pill. Without insurance, that drug would have cost me seventy THOUSAND dollars in 9 months.

Where, exactly, am I supposed to go if I can't afford that?

Fuck.

Edit: That's me expressing shock and surprise.... not suggesting a way to afford it. Ahem, sorry.

[Intangelon]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Yes, because the way to win a debate is to tell your opponent that they're losing.

They're so cute when they're smug. *pats on head*

[Inherentjoydom]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

[The Archregimancy]

Feel free to take a job at $1/hour, see how that works for you.

Hey, we all know how happy and prosperous those sweatshop workers in China and India are! Why they're just rolling in dough! They're not worked to death for very little, nope, not at all!

They're rolling in enough dough to save 40-50% of it.

Yay slavery!

Is there a point you're trying to make? Because you're failing to do it.

It was only a matter of time till someone tried to defend sweatshops a a superior example of production practise. The dubious honour, in this case, was yours.

Certainly superior to the alternative.

The alternative... you mean 'being paid a minimum wage, and not being compelled into slave labour conditions'?

Oh they have that option in China? For the masses? News to me.

Of course they have that option. Whether or not that option is employed, is a different matter. But China is following your advice, it's letting the market make these decisions... and thus there are slave-level workers churning out cheap crap for the American market. Your philosophy at work.

[Farnhamia]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

So you're a self-confessed liar, too? Tell it to the Mods.

[Saiwania]

I'm very capitalist and free market in belief but I feel it's going way too far to repeal minimum wage. Almost every country has set some form of minimum wage (could be too high, low, or at equilibrium) but nonetheless, I feel it's absolutely necessary to keep in place at this point. While the cons are that unskilled workers lose out whenever the minimum wage is increased and as a result, face unemployment and outsourcing. As well as prices for products and services being higher than without a minimum wage in place. I believe the pros of an enlarged middle class and a working class able to afford basic essentials outweigh any negatives. Ideally the minimum wage should only correlate to just under or at the current cost of living for an area.

So, you still want tons of unemployed lying around? Just great...,..

Your 'middle class' can also come out from no minimum wage. It is just because it has been here so long and it has supposedly helped for people employed in companies that can afford that they don't see the companies that can't afford.

When times were good there were not 'tons' of unemployed lying around, the US's rate was at 4-5% and most unemployment is seasonal and not permanent. Without a minimum wage there would still be unemployment so it's a normal occurrence. I just believe no minimum wage would make things worse off for the people that are working. I agree minimum wage should not be set too high, which is why I said it should ideally correlate to just under or at the cost of living expenses for a locale- so companies won't have a problem meeting their bottom line and making some profit. I believe a person should be able to afford a minimum standard of living working two jobs.

[Sdaeriji]

if you're bitten by a snake or chop your fucking arm off in an accident, you sort of want to survive, and that entails going to the closest doctor, not walking for five hours to find another one.

It doesn't even have to be such obscure injuries. If you get hurt in a car accident or have a heart attack, both things that literally happen to thousands of people every day, you don't really have the luxury of shopping around for a hospital, or even negotiating a rate with the closest hospital.

You shop around for insurance prior to needed to use it.

Go back and read the line of discussion that I was responding to, and you'll probably realize that your post is entirely non-responsive.

[Sibirsky]

Feel free to take a job at $1/hour, see how that works for you.

Hey, we all know how happy and prosperous those sweatshop workers in China and India are! Why they're just rolling in dough! They're not worked to death for very little, nope, not at all!

They're rolling in enough dough to save 40-50% of it.

I have seen you say that before. I want a source.

Here

After going through a few links, I saw 30%-50%, and that was total national savings, that wasn't the savings rate. And I would contend that is more of a cultural thing, and less of an economic thing. Chinese people hardly ever buy a house with mortgage, most save until they have enough dosh to buy the house all at once, and while they wait, live with their parents.
And I was never arguing that the Chinese were underpaid, (most of them, and that is not to say that there isn't a lot of deplorable things happening in China, civil and economically) considering there is a shortage of labour.

That is the savings rate. In any case, my argument is that they are paid to meet their basic needs and then some. Nobody is arguing that these people are spending weekends in Macau and flying home to Beijing on private jets. Those aren't needs. Needs are met, with money left over.

[Former NK Soldiers]

I'm actually five. If you don't believe me, read my posts.

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

Your own words are evidence. You claimed to be 11, why would you lie?

[Inherentjoydom]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Yes, because the way to win a debate is to tell your opponent that they're losing.

They're so cute when they're smug. *pats on head*

Watch fox news u liberal elitist! Down with inheritance taxes!

[Qwcasd]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

?

[The Archregimancy]

$4 is what makes the corporatist pricks happy and forces everyone else to starve.

Very rude language u Communist degenerate.

Its not rude to speak the truth. Could you survive on $160 a week? Its hard enough on the current amount.

Most people getting minimum wage are high school students. That's gas, cigarette, beer, weed and god knows what else money. They aren't paying rent. They aren't paying for most of their food. They aren't paying for healthcare...

If my income went to the above, and nothing else, $160/week would be adequate.

Most are young That doesn't mean they are high school students, or that they are even going to school.

More than half are high school students if I remember correctly. Either way, you're talking about less than 2% of the population. Minimum wage limits opportunity at low wages now, and possible opportunity for higher wages later.

The stuff I have read just has said they are young, and most haven't been to College, but whatever. And, yes it doe only concern 2% of the population, but those 2% are lowest wage earners, and arguably the most vulnerable. I can hardly see how it limits opportunity, but I can see how it decreases poverty.

A low paying job, with hands on experience is better than an unemployment check.

Not if it won't feed you (and your family, if you have one).

Jeez. The sooner you people get into the real world, the sooner we can have real debates on NSG.

Real world. If you are making minimum wage, chances are you are in high school. No family to feed. Not even yourself to feed.

[Inherentjoydom]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

Your own words are evidence. You claimed to be 11, why would you lie?

to be annoying

[Grave_n_idle]

Wow - I've read some bullshit in my time, but this could take this week's prize as the dumbest thing I've read all week.

Fine.....
Just explain why!

Because unless you want a country full of sweatshops, you need some form of minimum wage.

Explain to me how in a country with an average income of $20+/hr, removing a minimum wage of $7.25 would cause everyone's wages to drop. And cause all jobs to magically transform into sweatshop jobs.

Don't you think the minimum wage contributes towards the average income? And mean isn't that useful, in a situation like this mode is called for.
The mean wage of two people could be $100, if one earns $5 and the other $195, for instance.

Obviously minimum wage earners are also included in the average of all earners. All 2% of them.

It's not simple percentages. The fact that there is a minimum wage drives up other wages. Removing the minimum wage isn't as simple as altering the income of the bottom 2%.

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

Your own words are evidence. You claimed to be 11, why would you lie?

to be annoying

You admit to trolling, as your defence to being underage?

[Intangelon]

I'm going to have a moment of open honesty here. I have cancer. Or, more likely, had. It's probably been cut out by now.

Prior to my surgery, 2 weeks ago, I was on a drug, imatinib, marketed in the US as gleevec. The maker hold a patent on it. There is ONE manufacturer. One. No negotiation, no shopping around, no looking for the best price. If I want the drug, I pay the cost.

I have good insurance. I thankfully paid $25 a month. I took 60 pills a month for 9 months. that's 540 pills. I paid $225 for my full course of treatment. Without insurance, Imatinib costs $130 a pill.

No, that's not a typo. Not "a month", not even "a day". A pill. 540 pills. $130 a pill. Without insurance, that drug would have cost me seventy THOUSAND dollars in 9 months.

Where, exactly, am I supposed to go if I can't afford that?

Fuck.

Edit: That's me expressing shock and surprise.... not suggesting a way to afford it. Ahem, sorry.

Okay, I needed that. Thank you.

[Intangelon]

I'm 11 fyi and i'm who u r attmepting without success to beat in a depate

Interesting, because the minimum age here is at least 13. Maybe even 14.

u have no proof that what i just said is true

Sonny, your posting style is all the proof anyone here needs. Txtspk alone brands you. Your atrocious grammar and childish logic does the rest.