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Postby Innsmothe » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:21 am

The PeoplesFreedom wrote:
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The PeoplesFreedom wrote:I think there's more on the right than actually post. In my experience, a right winger will post and be immediately bandwagon by lots of liberals. This reduces the want to post. Even if you're trying to actually debate, the sheer amount of points thrown at you makes it impossible, and if you choose and select only certain posts to reply to you are thus attacked for it. However, some threads seem to have lots of left AND right wingers, when enough right wingers are around.

I know that one of the NS-related sites I visit has over 20 libertarians. But we avoid it precisely for the reason that there's so many left wingers and mods seem to be biased towards them. The times we actually have posted en masse many more right wingers come to join.


Libertarianism is neither a right/left ideology, but a universal dislike of government interference in civil affairs.


Well, left and right is a rather poor way of explaining politics. There are both left and right libertarians. Left libertarians actually quite like government involvement in economics. In my post I was referring to the right variety.

Ah, I happen to be the former....I guess. Wouldn't mind unethical economic practices (such as bypassing safety laws and using sweatshops) to have some repercussions such as the seizure and liquidation of property.
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Postby Ryadn » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:21 am

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Michilimakinak wrote:Wow, guys. I appreciate your lovely generalizations. Screw you.


See this is an example of my thesis that right wingers just cannot play nicely with the other children.


Well, they're not very keen on sharing.
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Postby The PeoplesFreedom » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:22 am

Innsmothe wrote:
The PeoplesFreedom wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
The PeoplesFreedom wrote:I think there's more on the right than actually post. In my experience, a right winger will post and be immediately bandwagon by lots of liberals. This reduces the want to post. Even if you're trying to actually debate, the sheer amount of points thrown at you makes it impossible, and if you choose and select only certain posts to reply to you are thus attacked for it. However, some threads seem to have lots of left AND right wingers, when enough right wingers are around.

I know that one of the NS-related sites I visit has over 20 libertarians. But we avoid it precisely for the reason that there's so many left wingers and mods seem to be biased towards them. The times we actually have posted en masse many more right wingers come to join.


Libertarianism is neither a right/left ideology, but a universal dislike of government interference in civil affairs.


Well, left and right is a rather poor way of explaining politics. There are both left and right libertarians. Left libertarians actually quite like government involvement in economics. In my post I was referring to the right variety.

Ah, I happen to be the former....I guess. Wouldn't mind unethical economic practices (such as bypassing safety laws and using sweatshops) to have some repercussions such as the seizure and liquidation of property.


Contrary to condemning the use of sweatshops in third world countries, you should be condoning it.
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Postby Innsmothe » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:24 am

The PeoplesFreedom wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
The PeoplesFreedom wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
The PeoplesFreedom wrote:I think there's more on the right than actually post. In my experience, a right winger will post and be immediately bandwagon by lots of liberals. This reduces the want to post. Even if you're trying to actually debate, the sheer amount of points thrown at you makes it impossible, and if you choose and select only certain posts to reply to you are thus attacked for it. However, some threads seem to have lots of left AND right wingers, when enough right wingers are around.

I know that one of the NS-related sites I visit has over 20 libertarians. But we avoid it precisely for the reason that there's so many left wingers and mods seem to be biased towards them. The times we actually have posted en masse many more right wingers come to join.


Libertarianism is neither a right/left ideology, but a universal dislike of government interference in civil affairs.


Well, left and right is a rather poor way of explaining politics. There are both left and right libertarians. Left libertarians actually quite like government involvement in economics. In my post I was referring to the right variety.

Ah, I happen to be the former....I guess. Wouldn't mind unethical economic practices (such as bypassing safety laws and using sweatshops) to have some repercussions such as the seizure and liquidation of property.


Contrary to condemning the use of sweatshops in third world countries, you should be condoning it.

I would support for them to have the wage that would be given to them if they were living in the same country as the companies HQ. If they can't provide that, then they should be penalised for unethical practices.
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"an aledy feshel leqtely feqt yej'eleny gheryeb"
Ronald Reagan: "Well, what do you believe in? Do you want to abolish the rich?"
Olof Palme, the Prime Minister of Sweden: "No, I want to abolish the poor."

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Postby Michilimakinak » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:26 am

Ryadn wrote:
Rambhutan wrote:
Michilimakinak wrote:Wow, guys. I appreciate your lovely generalizations. Screw you.


See this is an example of my thesis that right wingers just cannot play nicely with the other children.


Well, they're not very keen on sharing.

I also appreciate your assumption that I'm a right-winger. Nice job.

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Postby Rambhutan » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:34 am

Michilimakinak wrote:I also appreciate your assumption that I'm a right-winger. Nice job.


My assumption is that you are another KMA puppet
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Postby East Fancainia » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:40 am

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Postby Angleter » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:09 am

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Postby Risottia » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:29 am

Ashmoria wrote:too many europeans.


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Postby Just Mike » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:31 am

the vast majority of people are socialists whos utopia is basically north korea where the government controls everything. nationstates just reflects the rest of society

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:33 am

Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.

I'm a half-liberal, but in my opinion, the game appears to attract many people from all sorts of political beliefs.

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Postby Aelosia » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:38 am

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Wow, guys. I appreciate your lovely generalizations. Screw you.


That's flaming. Relax, it's just a show.
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Postby Hresejnen » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:40 am

This is funny. Just today, I was asking, "Why does NationStates seem to attract neo-Nazis?"

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists. Not too many religious, or even spiritually-minded folks, and the majority of those that are are idiots. Quite sad.

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Postby Charvah » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:35 am

Hresejnen wrote:This is funny. Just today, I was asking, "Why does NationStates seem to attract neo-Nazis?"

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists. Not too many religious, or even spiritually-minded folks, and the majority of those that are are idiots. Quite sad.

So, you're calling me an idiot. Nice.....real nice thing to say.
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Postby Aelosia » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:41 am

Charvah wrote:
Hresejnen wrote:This is funny. Just today, I was asking, "Why does NationStates seem to attract neo-Nazis?"

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists. Not too many religious, or even spiritually-minded folks, and the majority of those that are are idiots. Quite sad.

So, you're calling me an idiot. Nice.....real nice thing to say.


No, he used a vague term as "the majority" to avoid offending particularly anyone. You put yourself inside said "majority", I wonder why. You could have thought you were one of the minorities that aren't idiots.

So, you're trying to pick a fight or what? Bad mood today?
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Postby Tekania » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:44 am

Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.


It's the natural result of a medium which fosters the open exchange of information and ideas (liberal exchange of information).
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Postby Charvah » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:45 am

Aelosia wrote:
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Hresejnen wrote:This is funny. Just today, I was asking, "Why does NationStates seem to attract neo-Nazis?"

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists. Not too many religious, or even spiritually-minded folks, and the majority of those that are are idiots. Quite sad.

So, you're calling me an idiot. Nice.....real nice thing to say.


No, he used a vague term as "the majority" to avoid offending particularly anyone. You put yourself inside said "majority", I wonder why. You could have thought you were one of the minorities that aren't idiots.

So, you're trying to pick a fight or what? Bad mood today?

No, I'm just tired of shits like you.
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Postby Eirenua » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:48 am

Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.


Perhaps its because you're a conservative: people tend to notice their opposition more than their supporters. I myself tend to notice neo-Nazis and Conservatives far more than Liberals and Left-Wingers...




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Postby Linux and the X » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:50 am

It doesn't? This place is less conservative than some, but still pretty damn conservative.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:55 am

Linux and the X wrote:It doesn't? This place is less conservative than some, but still pretty damn conservative.

Err... no.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:58 am

I think Liberals are more open to having their beliefs challenged, for the most part. Extreme bias and generalization, there. But I also think that many on the right also have hardcore religious beliefs thrown into the mix, so they have their beliefs coming down from a higher authority - what is there to argue? Like I said, extreme bias.
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Postby Kosmanium » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:01 am

Anyway, this is all very silly...
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Postby Sungai Pusat » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:04 am

Cobhanglica wrote:I know that this question is asked recurrently, but why do so many posters on this forum have a liberal bent to their beliefs? Nearly everyone I see posting on here falls somewhere between mild liberals and radical ultra left-wing anarchists/communists.

Cause of a few reasons:
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Postby Innsmothe » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:04 am

Charvah wrote:
Aelosia wrote:
Charvah wrote:
Hresejnen wrote:This is funny. Just today, I was asking, "Why does NationStates seem to attract neo-Nazis?"

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists. Not too many religious, or even spiritually-minded folks, and the majority of those that are are idiots. Quite sad.

So, you're calling me an idiot. Nice.....real nice thing to say.


No, he used a vague term as "the majority" to avoid offending particularly anyone. You put yourself inside said "majority", I wonder why. You could have thought you were one of the minorities that aren't idiots.

So, you're trying to pick a fight or what? Bad mood today?

No, I'm just tired of shits like you.

Calm down, man. :(
ان الذي فشل لقتلي فقط يجعلني غريب
"an aledy feshel leqtely feqt yej'eleny gheryeb"
Ronald Reagan: "Well, what do you believe in? Do you want to abolish the rich?"
Olof Palme, the Prime Minister of Sweden: "No, I want to abolish the poor."

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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

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Postby Visica » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:11 am

Charvah wrote:
Aelosia wrote:
Charvah wrote:
Hresejnen wrote:This is funny. Just today, I was asking, "Why does NationStates seem to attract neo-Nazis?"

Really, the only group around here that I can see that's nearly completely pervasive is hard atheists. Not too many religious, or even spiritually-minded folks, and the majority of those that are are idiots. Quite sad.

So, you're calling me an idiot. Nice.....real nice thing to say.


No, he used a vague term as "the majority" to avoid offending particularly anyone. You put yourself inside said "majority", I wonder why. You could have thought you were one of the minorities that aren't idiots.

So, you're trying to pick a fight or what? Bad mood today?

No, I'm just tired of shits like you.


That is a bit uncalled for don't you think Charvah? And what do you mean by, "shits"?

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