Americans don't understand Scots law; Compassion.

[Greed and Death]

Neither compassion nor revenge make a sound basis for a system of justice, although revenge is certainly better. The main purpose of a justice system should be to make sure that it doesn't happen again, and the best way to do this is through the death penalty, which has a proven track record of being 100% effective at preventing recidivism.

Your claiming utilitarian rhetoric but you ignore the cost to society, A death penalty cost more then life imprisonment.

[Galactic Sapian]

I chalange you to find a better one that isnt even worse

Priceless

Can you? Sure if you started killing the whole familly or nukeing the town of a murderer it would work even better. Maybe not on everyone but...

No, again, it wouldn't.

If the point is to completely stop all crimes ther is only one anwser. HAVE NO LAWS! Yay! Hey, the crime rate will be ZERO!
Ok, this is my last post for a while so feel free to miss-use and twist and take my words out of context.Goodby

what is there to take out of context? all your stupid words are RIGHT THERE.

[UNIverseVERSE]

How about this. Lets get rid of the death penalty in America for a while and see what happens. Do you think crime will go up, down, or stay the same?
There is only one right answer. Oh and that whole thing about crimes are only affective above a certain point is laughable. How many murders happened under the iron fist of a lord of the manor during the middle ages? Im not endorsing that Im just pointing it out.

Lots.

How about an even better example? The UK under the Bloody Code, where everything up to and including stealing five shillings or a sheep was punishable by death. Crime rates were still ferociously high, because crime (especially against property) is primarily a product of social and economic inequality.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I chalange you to find a better one that isnt even worse

Priceless

Can you? Sure if you started killing the whole familly or nukeing the town of a murderer it would work even better. Maybe not on everyone but...

No, again, it wouldn't.

If the point is to completely stop all crimes ther is only one anwser. HAVE NO LAWS! Yay! Hey, the crime rate will be ZERO!
Ok, this is my last post for a while so feel free to miss-use and twist and take my words out of context.Goodby

what is there to take out of context? all your stupid words are RIGHT THERE.

Someone's sarcasm metre seems to be broken.

[Galactic Sapian]

How about this. Lets get rid of the death penalty in America for a while and see what happens. Do you think crime will go up, down, or stay the same?
There is only one right answer. Oh and that whole thing about crimes are only affective above a certain point is laughable. How many murders happened under the iron fist of a lord of the manor during the middle ages? Im not endorsing that Im just pointing it out.

Lots.

How about an even better example? The UK under the Bloody Code, where everything up to and including stealing five shillings or a sheep was punishable by death. Crime rates were still ferociously high, because crime (especially against property) is primarily a product of social and economic inequality.

well, only really "lots" because they don't have the modern technologies and moral around today. I don't think an iron fist lord of a manor even cared that people were killing each other...

[Galactic Sapian]

I chalange you to find a better one that isnt even worse

Priceless

Can you? Sure if you started killing the whole familly or nukeing the town of a murderer it would work even better. Maybe not on everyone but...

No, again, it wouldn't.

If the point is to completely stop all crimes ther is only one anwser. HAVE NO LAWS! Yay! Hey, the crime rate will be ZERO!
Ok, this is my last post for a while so feel free to miss-use and twist and take my words out of context.Goodby

what is there to take out of context? all your stupid words are RIGHT THERE.

Someone's sarcasm metre seems to be broken.

yeah, apparently yours, considering i'm joking around..

[Caninope]

Europe has a bigger economy than the US and is also much more popular internationally. That is why we are a superpower.
The US cant even claim it's a military superpower... as I said before they couldnt defeat Vietnam who fought with sticks and booby traps!

EU has a larger economy because there is 190 million more people. We have a larger GDP (PPP) per capita.

However, more of that wealth is in the hands of the rich, and less goes towards the poor. It doesn't necessarily mean the average person makes more, it could just mean that the rich make so much more than the poor that it cancels it out.

And yes, whilst this means you have a stronger economy, as I've said before I think an economy is useless unless it's actually used for the people, to improve life for the majority.

You were saying?

[Caninope]

More Scots per head died than Yanks.

Hmm, I really don't care. If he would have pulled that crap here in Texas, he would have been executed like he should have been and this sort of horrendous blunder would never have occurred in the first place. Why must Europe be so backwards?

In 2005 Scotland had a murder rate of 2.33 per 100,000 people, the second highest in Europe at the time. In the same year, Texas had a murder rate of 6.2 per 100,000. Those backwards Europeans.

Which is because of a different culture.

[Atheist Heathens]

Nobody else here reads Private Eye at all? The poor bugger was convicted on the most insubstantial of evidence, by a witness who repeatedly changed his statements, was given a large amount of cash after the trial and was described by one of the people involved in the trial as "an apple short of a picnic."

[Geniasis]

if it allows him to live in relative peace with his family until he does die

then you are saying that murder should carry no punishment. None of his victims got to live in relative peace with their families.

Whats the point of punishing an old man if he is going to die anyway? Vengeance is not justice.

The point of punishing him is that he committed a dire crime. He ought to suffer, and die lonely, not "live in relative peace with his family."

I've never really been of the mind that justice involves suffering. Funnily enough, the more personal justice gets, the less it looks like actual justice.

Neither compassion nor revenge make a sound basis for a system of justice, although revenge is certainly better. The main purpose of a justice system should be to make sure that it doesn't happen again, and the best way to do this is through the death penalty, which has a proven track record of being 100% effective at preventing recidivism.

and 0% effective as a detterent

So the idea of-hey if I rape that girl or murder that guy, i will be killed-dosnt stop poeple from doing it. You have got to be kidding!

I'm afraid not. Generally speaking, the people who commit these crimes don't really concern themselves with the potential consequences, because they think they're going to get away with the crime.

[Ifreann]

More Scots per head died than Yanks.

Hmm, I really don't care. If he would have pulled that crap here in Texas, he would have been executed like he should have been and this sort of horrendous blunder would never have occurred in the first place. Why must Europe be so backwards?

In 2005 Scotland had a murder rate of 2.33 per 100,000 people, the second highest in Europe at the time. In the same year, Texas had a murder rate of 6.2 per 100,000. Those backwards Europeans.

Which is because of a different culture.

Yes. The backwards culture of Europe lead to less murders than the superior culture of Texas.

[Geniasis]

Yes. The backwards culture of Europe lead to less murders than the superior culture of Texas.

And which culture is going to produce an Übermensch?

[Person012345]

How about this. Lets get rid of the death penalty in America for a while and see what happens. Do you think crime will go up, down, or stay the same?
There is only one right answer. Oh and that whole thing about crimes are only affective above a certain point is laughable. How many murders happened under the iron fist of a lord of the manor during the middle ages? Im not endorsing that Im just pointing it out.

Lots.

How about an even better example? The UK under the Bloody Code, where everything up to and including stealing five shillings or a sheep was punishable by death. Crime rates were still ferociously high, because crime (especially against property) is primarily a product of social and economic inequality.

well, only really "lots" because they don't have the modern technologies and moral around today. I don't think an iron fist lord of a manor even cared that people were killing each other...

Wrong. We are people, exactly the same as we were back then. A major cause of crime is poverty. And there was more poverty then than there is now.

[Caninope]

More Scots per head died than Yanks.

Hmm, I really don't care. If he would have pulled that crap here in Texas, he would have been executed like he should have been and this sort of horrendous blunder would never have occurred in the first place. Why must Europe be so backwards?

In 2005 Scotland had a murder rate of 2.33 per 100,000 people, the second highest in Europe at the time. In the same year, Texas had a murder rate of 6.2 per 100,000. Those backwards Europeans.

Which is because of a different culture.

Yes. The backwards culture of Europe lead to less murders than the superior culture of Texas.

Nice strawman, but no. I never called it backwards. Europe has less murders but more property crime. I attribute that to the urbanization of Europe, in general.

[Person012345]

More Scots per head died than Yanks.

Hmm, I really don't care. If he would have pulled that crap here in Texas, he would have been executed like he should have been and this sort of horrendous blunder would never have occurred in the first place. Why must Europe be so backwards?

In 2005 Scotland had a murder rate of 2.33 per 100,000 people, the second highest in Europe at the time. In the same year, Texas had a murder rate of 6.2 per 100,000. Those backwards Europeans.

Which is because of a different culture.

Yes. The backwards culture of Europe lead to less murders than the superior culture of Texas.

Nice strawman, but no. I never called it backwards. Europe has less murders but more property crime. I attribute that to the urbanization of Europe, in general.

It's not a strawman. You replied to him, and he was replying to someone who called it backwards. You were arguing the point of the person who called it backwards because you did this and didn't make it clear.

Otherwise you would be making the "strawman" because you tried to counter a point he never made. He was saying europe is not "backwards"

[Ifreann]

More Scots per head died than Yanks.

Hmm, I really don't care. If he would have pulled that crap here in Texas, he would have been executed like he should have been and this sort of horrendous blunder would never have occurred in the first place. Why must Europe be so backwards?

In 2005 Scotland had a murder rate of 2.33 per 100,000 people, the second highest in Europe at the time. In the same year, Texas had a murder rate of 6.2 per 100,000. Those backwards Europeans.

Which is because of a different culture.

Yes. The backwards culture of Europe lead to less murders than the superior culture of Texas.

Nice strawman, but no. I never called it backwards. Europe has less murders but more property crime. I attribute that to the urbanization of Europe, in general.

I never said you called it backwards. Just read the quote pyramid. Maybe if you follow the conversation you might get some insight into what I'm talking about.

[Greater Americania]

Yes. The backwards culture of Europe lead to less murders than the superior culture of Texas.

Under no logical situation can it possibly be implied that that has anything to do with the death penalty.

[Ifreann]

Yes. The backwards culture of Europe lead to less murders than the superior culture of Texas.

Under no logical situation can it possibly be implied that that has anything to do with the death penalty.

Death penalty? I was addressing your lamentations about poor, backwards Europe.

[Greater Americania]

Death penalty? I was addressing your lamentations about poor, backwards Europe.

And I was saying one of the reasons Europe is backwards is because it lacks the death penalty. Were you not also implying that the death penalty should be abolished?

[Ifreann]

Death penalty? I was addressing your lamentations about poor, backwards Europe.

And I was saying one of the reasons Europe is backwards is because it lacks the death penalty. Were you not also implying that the death penalty should be abolished?

No, I was stating that Scotland had a lower murder rate than Texas, which implies that either Scotland is doing something right, Texas is doing something wrong, or some combination of both. Casts your lamentations in a rather different light, no?

[Greater Americania]

No, I was stating that Scotland had a lower murder rate than Texas, which implies that either Scotland is doing something right, Texas is doing something wrong, or some combination of both. Casts your lamentations in a rather different light, no?

Not really. I don't judge nations/states based on slightly different murder rates.

[Ifreann]

No, I was stating that Scotland had a lower murder rate than Texas, which implies that either Scotland is doing something right, Texas is doing something wrong, or some combination of both. Casts your lamentations in a rather different light, no?

Not really. I don't judge nations/states based on slightly different murder rates.

Slightly? Look at those numbers again. For every 2 people murdered in Scotland, 5 were murdered in Texas. But hey, big deal, what really matters is that Texas executes people. Obviously that totally makes up for having more that double the murder rate of Scotland(which was the second highest in Europe at the time)

[The Scandinvans]

Americans need to learn not to always want revenge and show some compassion. The man has had his punishment... now let him be free. He isnt a threat anymore.
I am glad the Scottish Government isnt going to give in to American bullying!!

Justice is relative, the families of the victims (for the most part mind you) would wholly disagree with you and would quite likely say that the bomber surrendered any right to ask for compassion the moment (assuming he was responsible for the attack) the bomb detonated on the plane.

[Andaluciae]

Sidenote...what happened to the OP, Moppelkatze?

[Ifreann]

Sidenote...what happened to the OP, Moppelkatze?

Critical Existence Failure.