US gasoline prices may finally adjust to a reasonable figure

[Sibirsky]

From your point of view...
People can trade in their gas guzzlers and switch over the financing to the new car, companies can't profit for something that illegal to use so they'd be facing penalty if they tried to. This is all based on the notion that such radical change would be enacted and enforced.

Other than that, use public transportation and ride a bike if you don't like gas prices.

The nearest bus stop to here heading in the general direction of my job is 5 miles away. You do not "switch" over financing. You simply roll over any negative equity of the trade in into the loan on the new car. Which is problematic under normal circumstances. Under your scenario it would not be possible since the car being traded in would have almost no value. The dealer would not be able to sell it to anyone.

How about not taxing Americans to hell? Read the thread. Public transportation is not an available option for many of us.

[Sibirsky]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

[Sibirsky]

Its simple, outlaw the use of all vehicles that don't have a fuel efficiency below 40 MPG and require auto companies to make all their vehicles fuel efficient or face sanctions and penalties. There you go, problem solved even with $7 a gallon price.

That makes it hard on a lot of people- farmers, those in rural areas, those who tow trailers, even those who take trash to the dump.

How do we handle RV's, huh? What about the trucking industry, which is how the majority of goods get transported?

We still have trains don't we? RV's are a little different, they can act as homes. As long as someone is using it as a home for more than 6 mos out of the year and have proof of such, no issue. Rural farmers would have to learn how to become efficient or die.

What about the people that currently have cars that get less than 40 MPG? You can no longer use it? You also can't sell it, because nobody else can use it either. And if you financed it you still owe the bank money. And chances are you cannot afford to keep paying for it AND getting a new 40+ MPG car. You have solved nothing. You created more problems.

From your point of view...
People can trade in their gas guzzlers and switch over the financing to the new car, companies can't profit for something that illegal to use so they'd be facing penalty if they tried to. This is all based on the notion that such radical change would be enacted and enforced.

Other than that, use public transportation and ride a bike if you don't like gas prices.

Or we can just let gas prices go up naturally, as supplies run out encouraging a switch to electric cars and cars with better fuel efficiency. No need to tax the crap to death.

Nah, that just makes too much sense.

We must implement a 300% tax NOW. We must. The earth is too hot haven't you listened to Al Gore?

[Caninope]

Its simple, outlaw the use of all vehicles that don't have a fuel efficiency below 40 MPG and require auto companies to make all their vehicles fuel efficient or face sanctions and penalties. There you go, problem solved even with $7 a gallon price.

That makes it hard on a lot of people- farmers, those in rural areas, those who tow trailers, even those who take trash to the dump.

How do we handle RV's, huh? What about the trucking industry, which is how the majority of goods get transported?

We still have trains don't we? RV's are a little different, they can act as homes. As long as someone is using it as a home for more than 6 mos out of the year and have proof of such, no issue. Rural farmers would have to learn how to become efficient or die.

What about the people that currently have cars that get less than 40 MPG? You can no longer use it? You also can't sell it, because nobody else can use it either. And if you financed it you still owe the bank money. And chances are you cannot afford to keep paying for it AND getting a new 40+ MPG car. You have solved nothing. You created more problems.

From your point of view...
People can trade in their gas guzzlers and switch over the financing to the new car, companies can't profit for something that illegal to use so they'd be facing penalty if they tried to. This is all based on the notion that such radical change would be enacted and enforced.

Other than that, use public transportation and ride a bike if you don't like gas prices.

Trains don't work nearly as well as trucks for freight.

[Dakini]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

No, I live in Canada. I assure you our city planners are just as stupid.

Granted, our gas is more expensive.

And I can't afford a car anyway so I'm one of these people who rely on so-called "shitty" public transit (which gets me to and from work in a reasonable time). In addition, if I have to travel outside the city, I either take the bus or the train because it gets me where I need to go. It's not that hard to live without a car in North America. You just have to give up the luxury of a large backyard and be happy with public parks and community gardens.

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

[Sibirsky]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

No, I live in Canada. I assure you our city planners are just as stupid.

Granted, our gas is more expensive.

And I can't afford a car anyway so I'm one of these people who rely on so-called "shitty" public transit (which gets me to and from work in a reasonable time). In addition, if I have to travel outside the city, I either take the bus or the train because it gets me where I need to go. It's not that hard to live without a car in North America. You just have to give up the luxury of a large backyard and be happy with public parks and community gardens.

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

It is not an option for many of us. I cannot move closer to work, there is no public transportation within 5 miles or so from my house.

[Dakini]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

No, I live in Canada. I assure you our city planners are just as stupid.

Granted, our gas is more expensive.

And I can't afford a car anyway so I'm one of these people who rely on so-called "shitty" public transit (which gets me to and from work in a reasonable time). In addition, if I have to travel outside the city, I either take the bus or the train because it gets me where I need to go. It's not that hard to live without a car in North America. You just have to give up the luxury of a large backyard and be happy with public parks and community gardens.

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

It is not an option for many of us. I cannot move closer to work, there is no public transportation within 5 miles or so from my house.

Yeah, so public transportation needs to be better.

Also, it's still better to drive part of the way to work and catch a commuter line than it is to drive the whole distance.

Or better still, ride a bicycle to the transportation hub, catch the bus/train into the city and then take the public transportation from there. All you need is bus or train hubs with lots of parking in the suburbs.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

How is that trolling?

[Greed and Death]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

maybe they are buying more then they can carry in one trip ?

[Maurepas]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

No, I live in Canada. I assure you our city planners are just as stupid.

Granted, our gas is more expensive.

And I can't afford a car anyway so I'm one of these people who rely on so-called "shitty" public transit (which gets me to and from work in a reasonable time). In addition, if I have to travel outside the city, I either take the bus or the train because it gets me where I need to go. It's not that hard to live without a car in North America. You just have to give up the luxury of a large backyard and be happy with public parks and community gardens.

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

It is not an option for many of us. I cannot move closer to work, there is no public transportation within 5 miles or so from my house.

Same, only it's more like 10 miles to the nearest for me.

[Gun Manufacturers]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

The Post Office actually doesn't receive federal funds. All the costs of running the Post Office (wages, insurance, equipment and maintenance costs, etc) are paid for by postage (which is why it keeps going up every year or 2). So while it's technically a part of the Federal government, it's run as if it were a private business.

[Gun Manufacturers]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

Er... is it funded by the government?

By nationalise it, I'm envisioning it being paid through taxes and the service being free.

Both user fees and taxes. Why should I pay for mail, if I do not use the service?

You don't.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Same, only it's more like 10 miles to the nearest for me.

It's less then 2 minutes for me. *Sniggers*

[Greed and Death]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

The Post Office actually doesn't receive federal funds. All the costs of running the Post Office (wages, insurance, equipment and maintenance costs, etc) are paid for by postage (which is why it keeps going up every year or 2). So while it's technically a part of the Federal government, it's run as if it were a private business.

the last few years they have been running at a loss of about 4 billion a year, which they get from the tax payer.
Given the behavior of banks that doesn't necessarily mean they are not privatish.

[Maurepas]

Same, only it's more like 10 miles to the nearest for me.

It's less then 2 minutes for me. *Sniggers*

I blame the French, they shoulda planned this shit out better,

[Caninope]

Same, only it's more like 10 miles to the nearest for me.

It's less then 2 minutes for me. *Sniggers*

Because of the way Britain and the urban sprawl is set up.

[Sibirsky]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

No, I live in Canada. I assure you our city planners are just as stupid.

Granted, our gas is more expensive.

And I can't afford a car anyway so I'm one of these people who rely on so-called "shitty" public transit (which gets me to and from work in a reasonable time). In addition, if I have to travel outside the city, I either take the bus or the train because it gets me where I need to go. It's not that hard to live without a car in North America. You just have to give up the luxury of a large backyard and be happy with public parks and community gardens.

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

It is not an option for many of us. I cannot move closer to work, there is no public transportation within 5 miles or so from my house.

Yeah, so public transportation needs to be better.

Also, it's still better to drive part of the way to work and catch a commuter line than it is to drive the whole distance.

Or better still, ride a bicycle to the transportation hub, catch the bus/train into the city and then take the public transportation from there. All you need is bus or train hubs with lots of parking in the suburbs.

The closest place to my house, I was referring to is a bus stop. There is no place to leave my car. Sometimes I need my car for work. I fail to see how driving half way there and parking illegally is a solution.

[Greed and Death]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

No, I live in Canada. I assure you our city planners are just as stupid.

Granted, our gas is more expensive.

And I can't afford a car anyway so I'm one of these people who rely on so-called "shitty" public transit (which gets me to and from work in a reasonable time). In addition, if I have to travel outside the city, I either take the bus or the train because it gets me where I need to go. It's not that hard to live without a car in North America. You just have to give up the luxury of a large backyard and be happy with public parks and community gardens.

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

It is not an option for many of us. I cannot move closer to work, there is no public transportation within 5 miles or so from my house.

Yeah, so public transportation needs to be better.

Also, it's still better to drive part of the way to work and catch a commuter line than it is to drive the whole distance.

Or better still, ride a bicycle to the transportation hub, catch the bus/train into the city and then take the public transportation from there. All you need is bus or train hubs with lots of parking in the suburbs.

The closest place to my house, I was referring to is a bus stop. There is no place to leave my car. Sometimes I need my car for work. I fail to see how driving half way there and parking illegally is a solution.

The tickets you pay to the city will help fund the public transportation system, or the mayors visit to the strip club.

[Person012345]

No subways in Florida? Perhaps it has something to do with all the water around it?

Maybe SyFy can make a movie about mutant alligators infesting new, fictional subways in Florida. How does "Transit Gators" sound?

It's actually the water in FL, the water-table's too high for that sort of thing down here.

Aah, I see. It's a good thing you yanks didn't build the chunnel if you can't do it because of a bit of water.

Also, the spell checker understand's the word "chunnel"./issurprised

[Sibirsky]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

How is that trolling?

Dakini is in every US thread bashing the way we move around, the sports we watch and so on. I don't see the necessity of it. Like that line above.

[Sibirsky]

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You don't see the necessity of driving down the block for some quick errands that would take you five minutes to walk to?

Or you don't live in sprawling suburbs that were planned with the idea that resources are endless and cars don't pollute.

Do you troll all the American threads?

I also know people who live here who bitch endlessly about the horror of public transit and then buy a car and make stupid trips like to the grocery store that is a five minute walk from their home. I get annoyed at them too.

maybe they are buying more then they can carry in one trip ?

You walk multiple times then. The earth needs you too. I don't care of each trip takes 2 hours.

[Greed and Death]

No subways in Florida? Perhaps it has something to do with all the water around it?

Maybe SyFy can make a movie about mutant alligators infesting new, fictional subways in Florida. How does "Transit Gators" sound?

It's actually the water in FL, the water-table's too high for that sort of thing down here.

Aah, I see. It's a good thing you yanks didn't build the chunnel if you can't do it because of a bit of water.

Also, the spell checker understand's the word "chunnel"./issurprised

digging up and down through swamps and marshland and hundreds of points is much more difficult then digging down on dry land until you hit the basalt then did sideways until your under dry land again then digging up.

[Sibirsky]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

The Post Office actually doesn't receive federal funds. All the costs of running the Post Office (wages, insurance, equipment and maintenance costs, etc) are paid for by postage (which is why it keeps going up every year or 2). So while it's technically a part of the Federal government, it's run as if it were a private business.

They have budget deficits, because the feds don't know how to run a business. Last year they lost $6 billion. Footed by the taxpayers. So if you didn't mail anything, you still paid for it. Congrats!

[Sibirsky]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

Er... is it funded by the government?

By nationalise it, I'm envisioning it being paid through taxes and the service being free.

Both user fees and taxes. Why should I pay for mail, if I do not use the service?

You don't.

I do.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/16/news/co ... l_service/

[Caninope]

No subways in Florida? Perhaps it has something to do with all the water around it?

Maybe SyFy can make a movie about mutant alligators infesting new, fictional subways in Florida. How does "Transit Gators" sound?

It's actually the water in FL, the water-table's too high for that sort of thing down here.

Aah, I see. It's a good thing you yanks didn't build the chunnel if you can't do it because of a bit of water.

Also, the spell checker understand's the word "chunnel"./issurprised

digging up and down through swamps and marshland and hundreds of points is much more difficult then digging down on dry land until you hit the basalt then did sideways until your on dry land again.

And, ironically, in doing this for the environment, you actually destroy unique ecosystems, and endanger various species found mainly or only in central Florida (the American Crocodile comes to mind), whereas there aren't any animals under the English Channel.