US gasoline prices may finally adjust to a reasonable figure

[EvilDarkMagicians]

If Americans are going to be devastated by this increase, it shows how shit the whole transport system is.
I can see why they want to prevent urban sprawl in England.

Urban sprawl isn't really the problem, in fact, I'd say lackthereof is more of a problem, contrary to popular belief, the majority of the United States is rather rural, and there is no public transportation going to those areas.

It would be like Siberia actually had lots of people in it, and Russia trying bring the subway to them.

Mmm. Well urban sprawl without the proper transport would also have the same problem.

[Person012345]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

[Sibirsky]

Like in Montana, or Wyoming? Do you know what rural means?

He said suburbs. Which is what I was arguing. Rural communities can stay more within themselves. It will help local businesses. This applies to above post.

And it would still be problematic in suburbs. And in rural towns, they still need transportation. It does not help local businesses. It hurts them.

How so? Small towns are by their very nature, small. You can walk.

No. Small towns have small populations. You cannot walk, it is too far. Local businesses are few and far between. Like a small convenience store and a gas station. And you have to drive there. And for real shopping you have to drive further.

[Caninope]

Like in Montana, or Wyoming? Do you know what rural means?

He said suburbs. Which is what I was arguing. Rural communities can stay more within themselves. It will help local businesses. This applies to above post.

And it would still be problematic in suburbs. And in rural towns, they still need transportation. It does not help local businesses. It hurts them.

How so? Small towns are by their very nature, small. You can walk.

The problem is that a small town may be small, but there are many communities surrounding them.

Ex: You have Southern, rural town X

5 miles from it are a couples of farmers
7 miles in other direction is community Y
12 miles away down a state highway is community Z
There are yet more farms 6 miles away

All these people come to this town. FYI: A small town is small population wise.

[Person012345]

Hell, you could even *gasp* tax people who have more money than they know what to do with just a tiny bit more and give out fuel coupons to those in the countryside.

So we're rationing gas for the rural areas now?

Coupons, to help those who actually need it. Rations limit you, coupons would simply help those who need to use a lot of fuel buy that fuel.

[Person012345]

Like in Montana, or Wyoming? Do you know what rural means?

He said suburbs. Which is what I was arguing. Rural communities can stay more within themselves. It will help local businesses. This applies to above post.

And it would still be problematic in suburbs. And in rural towns, they still need transportation. It does not help local businesses. It hurts them.

How so? Small towns are by their very nature, small. You can walk.

The problem is that a small town may be small, but there are many communities surrounding them.

Ex: You have Southern, rural town X

5 miles from it are a couples of farmers
7 miles in other direction is community Y
12 miles away down a state highway is community Z
There are yet more farms 6 miles away

All these people come to this town. FYI: A small town is small population wise.

Thus the coupons.

[Caninope]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

No the reason buses don't come by is because it just won't work in small rural areas, or even suburban areas.

[Maurepas]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

I think that was probably true 50 years ago, however, systematically the US transportation network was set up over that period around that very fact.

So that now, there is no preference, this is just what one has to do.

[Person012345]

Btw, the coupons don't have to be a certain amount of fuel for free. It could be "60% off the next X gallons" depending.

[Caninope]

Like in Montana, or Wyoming? Do you know what rural means?

He said suburbs. Which is what I was arguing. Rural communities can stay more within themselves. It will help local businesses. This applies to above post.

And it would still be problematic in suburbs. And in rural towns, they still need transportation. It does not help local businesses. It hurts them.

How so? Small towns are by their very nature, small. You can walk.

The problem is that a small town may be small, but there are many communities surrounding them.

Ex: You have Southern, rural town X

5 miles from it are a couples of farmers
7 miles in other direction is community Y
12 miles away down a state highway is community Z
There are yet more farms 6 miles away

All these people come to this town. FYI: A small town is small population wise.

Thus the coupons.

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Gas prices in the US shouldn't really be raised unless:

~ They sort out good transport links from the suburban areas to the city.
~ The major majority of people live in cities.

[Person012345]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

[Person012345]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

No the reason buses don't come by is because it just won't work in small rural areas

Hence the coupons.

or even suburban areas.

why?

[Maurepas]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

[Person012345]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

[Sibirsky]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

No the reason buses don't come by is because it just won't work in small rural areas

Hence the coupons.

or even suburban areas.

why?

It is not economically feasible.

[Sibirsky]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

[Person012345]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

No the reason buses don't come by is because it just won't work in small rural areas

Hence the coupons.

or even suburban areas.

why?

It is not economically feasible.

You saying it doesn't make it true. I'm not asking for evidence and sources even, but hypothetically, why is it not feasible. If people were to walk half a mile from home (which is perfectly reasonable) then you would have a busful of passengers. A busful of passengers is profitable. So how is it not feasible? It can make many stops, within half a mile of other houses too. Then make numerous stops in town.

[Person012345]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

Er... is it funded by the government?

By nationalise it, I'm envisioning it being paid through taxes and the service being free.

[Sibirsky]

But they'll need to drive to an even larger town, which maybe 20, 30 miles away.

If you use up 60 miles just to get the coupon, you just defeated the very purpose of it.

So you don't have mail in the states?

The way things have been looking for the Post Office, that's a possibility really,

Nationalise it[/ebilsocialism]

It's a branch of the government. I would say privatize it.

Er... is it funded by the government?

By nationalise it, I'm envisioning it being paid through taxes and the service being free.

Both user fees and taxes. Why should I pay for mail, if I do not use the service?

[Sibirsky]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

No the reason buses don't come by is because it just won't work in small rural areas

Hence the coupons.

or even suburban areas.

why?

It is not economically feasible.

You saying it doesn't make it true. I'm not asking for evidence and sources even, but hypothetically, why is it not feasible. If people were to walk half a mile from home (which is perfectly reasonable) then you would have a busful of passengers. A busful of passengers is profitable. So how is it not feasible? It can make many stops, within half a mile of other houses too. Then make numerous stops in town.

There isn't enough people to use it. People have different times they need to get to work and come back. People prefer different stores, and to shop there at different times.

[Conserative Morality]

By nationalise it, I'm envisioning it being paid through taxes and the service being free.

Nationalizing something does not make it free. It only makes it appear so.

TANSTAAFL, as they say.

[Person012345]

There is no bus that comes anywhere near my house, I can walk to a local convenient store, but, for actual grocery shopping, I have to go to the main road, which is about the same distance away. And I live in a fairly Urban area comparatively speaking.

You missed the stuff where I was arguing with them that by their own free market theory when there is a bigger demand then companies should set up and improve the services etc. Maybe the reason busses don't come to near your area is because nobody in your area wants to use the bus. They'd prefer to drive, since fuel is so cheap.

No the reason buses don't come by is because it just won't work in small rural areas

Hence the coupons.

or even suburban areas.

why?

It is not economically feasible.

You saying it doesn't make it true. I'm not asking for evidence and sources even, but hypothetically, why is it not feasible. If people were to walk half a mile from home (which is perfectly reasonable) then you would have a busful of passengers. A busful of passengers is profitable. So how is it not feasible? It can make many stops, within half a mile of other houses too. Then make numerous stops in town.

There isn't enough people to use it. People have different times they need to get to work and come back. People prefer different stores, and to shop there at different times.

You stop at numerous stores, and you run more than one bus. That's how it works. The number of people in the suburbs could fill up numerous busses, but a bus doesn't have to be full to be profitable.

[Person012345]

Both user fees and taxes. Why should I pay for mail, if I do not use the service?

Because you should *oppresses you*

[Person012345]

By nationalise it, I'm envisioning it being paid through taxes and the service being free.

Nationalizing something does not make it free. It only makes it appear so.

TANSTAAFL, as they say.

As in, you can use the services and don't pay directly for them. Since taxes go into a pot and are divided out. Your particular monies could go to something completely differen't. Since I did say paid for through taxes.