US gasoline prices may finally adjust to a reasonable figure

[Greed and Death]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

The difference is I can drive on a small dirt road to a paved road. Then drive on the paved road to a county.
I can then take the main road to the state highway and the state highway to the interstate.
We can not replace the county road, the paved road or the dirt road with rail in anything resembling a cost efficient manner.

[United States of PA]

I got something to tell you Europeans. From New York City to Los Angeles, its 2,462 miles, 2,660 from Augusta, Maine to LA.. From Paris to Moscow it 1,545 miles.


Do the math, our country from NYC to LA is much wider than Europe is.

[Lackadaisical2]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

But we cna start the extra taxes now to 'wean' the plebs off oil, cause we all know its a fucktastrophe being able to drive to all the little villages.

[Greed and Death]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

its hard to imagine the cost and effort involved in getting that much new right-of-way let alone the many hundreds of billions of dollars for the new rail bed.

And that was with the states not fighting the federal government at all.
Imagine if the red states put forth a determined effort to block rail construction.

[Brogavia]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

But we cna start the extra taxes now to 'wean' the plebs off oil, cause we all know its a fucktastrophe being able to drive to all the little villages.

Of course. Is there going to be a train station at all the houses? I have friends that live 30 miles away? Does the train stop at their houses?

[Ashmoria]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

But we cna start the extra taxes now to 'wean' the plebs off oil, cause we all know its a fucktastrophe being able to drive to all the little villages.

Of course. Is there going to be a train station at all the houses? I have friends that live 30 miles away? Does the train stop at their houses?

i can catch the train NOW. all i have to do is drive 75 miles....

i dont see that changing any time soon.

[Rolling squid]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

Not really. We only started building interstates after 1956, and finished 35 years after that. But as far as we're concerned, the inter city rail lines should be built last; what's really important are the city-suburbs lines, which will cut our demand for fuel drastically by removing all the commuters from the road.

[Brogavia]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

Not really. We only started building interstates after 1956, and finished 35 years after that. But as far as we're concerned, the inter city rail lines should be built last; what's really important are the city-suburbs lines, which will cut our demand for fuel drastically by removing all the commuters from the road.

I live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Bad example.

[JJ Place]

Time to buy a hydrogen car.

[Lackadaisical2]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

Not really. We only started building interstates after 1956, and finished 35 years after that. But as far as we're concerned, the inter city rail lines should be built last; what's really important are the city-suburbs lines, which will cut our demand for fuel drastically by removing all the commuters from the road.

37. But thats still a fucking lifetime.

[L3 Communications]

Time to buy a hydrogen car.

More like plug-in electrical.

[Rolling squid]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

its hard to imagine the cost and effort involved in getting that much new right-of-way let alone the many hundreds of billions of dollars for the new rail bed.

And that was with the states not fighting the federal government at all.
Imagine if the red states put forth a determined effort to block rail construction.

I'm not saying it will be easy, I am saying it can be done, and should be done if we are serious about our addiction to oil.

But we cna start the extra taxes now to 'wean' the plebs off oil, cause we all know its a fucktastrophe being able to drive to all the little villages.

Yes. Yes it is. Because that ability to go out in the country for a drive is costing us how many billion dollars a year in oil purchases, burning trillions of barrels of oil a year, oil we will never see again and is needed for so many better things beside transportation, and dumping untold amounts of pollution and greenhouse gases into the air. And it will run out at some point.

[Lackadaisical2]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

Not really. We only started building interstates after 1956, and finished 35 years after that. But as far as we're concerned, the inter city rail lines should be built last; what's really important are the city-suburbs lines, which will cut our demand for fuel drastically by removing all the commuters from the road.

I live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Bad example.

But you can still drive there, have fun doing that with $7 gas. One of the interesting things about the US is the relatively small difference between rural and urban incomes- in part due to low gas prices. Thats why suburbs can be nice places to live as opposed to where Europe puts all the undesirables.

[Brogavia]

37. But thats still a fucking lifetime.

I was thinking the road network in general, not just the Interstate system.

Time to buy a hydrogen car.

More like plug-in electrical.

Oh yeah, save the enviroment by using more electricty and burning another 5 metric shitloads of coal. Damn good plan/

[Rolling squid]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

Not really. We only started building interstates after 1956, and finished 35 years after that. But as far as we're concerned, the inter city rail lines should be built last; what's really important are the city-suburbs lines, which will cut our demand for fuel drastically by removing all the commuters from the road.

I live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Bad example.

But you can still drive there, have fun doing that with $7 gas. One of the interesting things about the US is the relatively small difference between rural and urban incomes- in part due to low gas prices. Thats why suburbs can be nice places to live as opposed to where Europe puts all the undesirables.

So we ditch the suburbs. They're unsustainable anyways.

[Rolling squid]

37. But thats still a fucking lifetime.

I was thinking the road network in general, not just the Interstate system.

Time to buy a hydrogen car.

More like plug-in electrical.

Oh yeah, save the enviroment by using more electricty and burning another 5 metric shitloads of coal. Damn good plan/

Nuclear power.

[Orlkjestad]

We don't have a public transport system like those countries. If gas really got that high, I think there'd be violence tbh, hell, I'd consider joining it, that'd be it for me, I couldn't afford to make it to the city, that means no work, no food, no nothing, >_>

"Suburban America was found murdered in his home at 6:54AM this morning..."

[Panzerjaeger]

37. But thats still a fucking lifetime.

I was thinking the road network in general, not just the Interstate system.

Time to buy a hydrogen car.

More like plug-in electrical.

Oh yeah, save the enviroment by using more electricty and burning another 5 metric shitloads of coal. Damn good plan/

Nuclear power.

The US Government refuses to expand Nuclear Power.

[Brogavia]

Yes. Yes it is. Because that ability to go out in the country for a drive is costing us how many billion dollars a year in oil purchases, burning trillions of barrels of oil a year, oil we will never see again and is needed for so many better things beside transportation, and dumping untold amounts of pollution and greenhouse gases into the air. And it will run out at some point.

You think we just go driving for fun? Ok, so we do, but I live in the middle of nowhere and theres fuck all to do. But really driving to the other towns is because of work, school, or because we have friends/family in those towns.

[Greed and Death]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

its hard to imagine the cost and effort involved in getting that much new right-of-way let alone the many hundreds of billions of dollars for the new rail bed.

And that was with the states not fighting the federal government at all.
Imagine if the red states put forth a determined effort to block rail construction.

I'm not saying it will be easy, I am saying it can be done, and should be done if we are serious about our addiction to oil.

.

I prefer a more American solution, electric cars and nuclear power seem to come to mind.

[Rolling squid]

37. But thats still a fucking lifetime.

I was thinking the road network in general, not just the Interstate system.

Time to buy a hydrogen car.

More like plug-in electrical.

Oh yeah, save the enviroment by using more electricty and burning another 5 metric shitloads of coal. Damn good plan/

Nuclear power.

The US Government refuses to expand Nuclear Power.

I know. Again, I'm not arguing from the standpoint of what is politically feasible or possible. I'm looking at what needs to be done if the nation is serious about reducing its reliance on oil.

[Lackadaisical2]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

its hard to imagine the cost and effort involved in getting that much new right-of-way let alone the many hundreds of billions of dollars for the new rail bed.

And that was with the states not fighting the federal government at all.
Imagine if the red states put forth a determined effort to block rail construction.

I'm not saying it will be easy, I am saying it can be done, and should be done if we are serious about our addiction to oil.

But we cna start the extra taxes now to 'wean' the plebs off oil, cause we all know its a fucktastrophe being able to drive to all the little villages.

Yes. Yes it is. Because that ability to go out in the country for a drive is costing us how many billion dollars a year in oil purchases, burning trillions of barrels of oil a year, oil we will never see again and is needed for so many better things beside transportation, and dumping untold amounts of pollution and greenhouse gases into the air. And it will run out at some point.

It does cost soemthing, but you know so do public transport systems, people don't live quite so centralized, fucking with gas prices will result in literally cutting whole towns off from the rest of the country. Pollution, etc. I can't argue, but I'm convinced that there is far more oil out there than we've been led to believe and advanced recovery techniques can significantly increase domestic oil production (ME oil is relatively easy to get out of the ground, which is why its cheap), for example I worked on a project earlier this year regarding an oil field in southern Illinois where the recovery rate was only about 3% of the actual oil in the ground and they're working on getting another 3% out...

[The Adrian Empire]

If the price starts getting too high, I suspect we'll start seeing a lot of people making their own alcohol based fuel. I know I'll consider it (or investigate the possibility of getting a diesel engine for my truck, which would allow me to use bio-diesel/WVO).

Which is far worse for the environment, or rather far less good then we would suspect, not to mention that it's causing food shortages around the world

[Lackadaisical2]

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.

You forget this is the US we are talking about.
When faced with a 7 dollar a gallon tax, The solution will be violence not, wait for next election.

True. So implement a gradual tax, say fifty cents/gallon a year, and use the revenues to build a national high speed rail system. Provide categorical grants to cities so they can build city-suburb rail systems. The point is, we as a country need to be weaned off oil and onto public transportation, and the only way I can see that happening is through higher fuel costs.

You honestly don't get how big our country is do you? Public transit does not work outside of densely populate areas. Ever.

No, I get it. But if we can crisscross it with highways, we can do the same with rail systems.

That took damn near 50 years to finish.

Not really. We only started building interstates after 1956, and finished 35 years after that. But as far as we're concerned, the inter city rail lines should be built last; what's really important are the city-suburbs lines, which will cut our demand for fuel drastically by removing all the commuters from the road.

I live 50 miles from the nearest interstate. Bad example.

But you can still drive there, have fun doing that with $7 gas. One of the interesting things about the US is the relatively small difference between rural and urban incomes- in part due to low gas prices. Thats why suburbs can be nice places to live as opposed to where Europe puts all the undesirables.

So we ditch the suburbs. They're unsustainable anyways.

I really, really dislike suburbs, but you're talking massive fucking costs above and beyond the just changing to rail and abandoning highways. Literally tens to hundreds of millions moving because of this.

[JJ Place]

Time to buy a hydrogen car.

More like plug-in electrical.

I have a hard enough time remembering to plug in my iPod at night; let alone my car. Plus, I'd like to go more than 100 miles max before I'd have to spend over 5 hours to get more energy for my car. I'd also like to have a car that I find attractive; one that suits myself. So, unless I have an alternative means of fueling my car, other than solely off of the electric charge, I don't think I'll ever to purchasing one. Also, plug-in electric cars are hardly 'green' for many, as most home energy (4/5 units across the country) is not clean energy; most electrical energetic comes from coal. Mostly American-made? Yes. Mostly green? No. So, buying a plug-in electric car is actually more 'pro-American' than it is 'pro-green'