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Because of (or in spite of) President Obama's job performance

the next black POTUS will still be from the Democratic Party.
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the next black POTUS will be from the Republican Party.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:33 am

I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance for a future African-American, Democratic Party Presidential candidate?

Will the next POTUS of African-American descent be from the Republican Party?
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:34 am

Gloating at the potential lack of future black candidates in the Presidential races are you?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:37 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance ...


The current ridiculous partisanship of American 'conservatives' is certainly spoiling the chances of Republicans being taken seriously.
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Postby Vittos Ordination » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:43 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance for a future African-American, Democratic Party Presidential candidate?

Will the next POTUS of African-American descent be from the Republican Party?


I'm not seeing it. President Obama has always been very good on the issue of race, and I see his presidency as being largely post-racial.

Not everyone could pull it off because society itself is far from being post-racial, but I don't see the real immediate Barack -> Black president connection really being as strong as it could be.

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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:49 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance ...


The current ridiculous partisanship of American 'conservatives' is certainly spoiling the chances of Republicans being taken seriously.

I don't see much of a supporting argument on this question.

I believe the Republican Party will be looking for a charismatic black man in the near future, to run for the office. One with solid conservative credentials.

I believe the next black man the Democrats put forward will be more of what Obama is.

The "independents" (re: conservative vs. liberal) might swing away from that Democratic Party candidate.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:52 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:The "independents" (re: conservative vs. liberal) might swing away from that Democratic Party candidate.

Because... Obama has done such a terrible job? :eyebrow:
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:54 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:The "independents" (re: conservative vs. liberal) might swing away from that Democratic Party candidate.

Because... Obama has done such a terrible job? :eyebrow:

Well, there's still two and a half years to go..., but maybe.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:55 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:Well, there's still two and a half years to go..., but maybe.

At worst, he's average.

On the other end of the spectrum, he's a good leader who's managed to change the world's opinion of us, even if only slightly.
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Postby Krytenia » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:00 am

As a President, he ranks somewhere in the middle. Not terrible, but not stand-out awesome. The biggest barrier to a future black POTUS, in the short term, is a lack of stand-out candidates from either the Dems or the GOP. Unless Condoleeza (sp?) Rice decides to run in '12, of course.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:27 am

Krytenia wrote:As a President, he ranks somewhere in the middle. Not terrible, but not stand-out awesome. The biggest barrier to a future black POTUS, in the short term, is a lack of stand-out candidates from either the Dems or the GOP. Unless Condoleeza (sp?) Rice decides to run in '12, of course.

Go Condi!!! Can you imagine a Condi vs. Oprah match?

But you have a point re: standout candidates. The GOP needs to elect a black Governor, either in a conservative state, or manage to defeat a Democrat in a liberal state. The Dems need a black man that has proven leadership skills, probably also a Governor.
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:29 am

Vittos Ordination wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance for a future African-American, Democratic Party Presidential candidate?

Will the next POTUS of African-American descent be from the Republican Party?


I'm not seeing it. President Obama has always been very good on the issue of race, and I see his presidency as being largely post-racial.

Not everyone could pull it off because society itself is far from being post-racial, but I don't see the real immediate Barack -> Black president connection really being as strong as it could be.


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Postby Natapoc » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:30 am

I would hope not. It would really demonstrate the severity of US racism if it did.

Did Bush ruin the chances of the republican party running a "White" presidential candidate in the future?

Silly racists, get over our presidents skin tone already. I
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:31 am

More important question. Does it matter?
Both sides should focus on who the best candidate is.
Colour is irrelevant.
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:31 am

Vittos Ordination wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance for a future African-American, Democratic Party Presidential candidate?

Will the next POTUS of African-American descent be from the Republican Party?


I'm not seeing it. President Obama has always been very good on the issue of race, and I see his presidency as being largely post-racial.

Not everyone could pull it off because society itself is far from being post-racial, but I don't see the real immediate Barack -> Black president connection really being as strong as it could be.


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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:34 am

I want a third option on the poll. "The next black POTUS will be the better candidate, regardless of the party"
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:45 am

Juristonia wrote:More important question. Does it matter?
Both sides should focus on who the best candidate is.
Colour is irrelevant.

Colour OUGHT to be irrelevant.

Marketing, various degrees of ethnic-demand/guilt/tribalism, and strategic manuevering will be a part of the primary campaigns.
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Postby Rolamec » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:46 am

I think color won't be as big of an issue as it was before. But I don't predict it for awhile (I mean look at the contenders on both sides).
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Postby Angleter » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:47 am

I don't think so. The only really prominent black Republican is Condi Rice, and she's forever tarnished by Bush.
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Postby Treznor » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:48 am

Angleter wrote:I don't think so. The only really prominent black Republican is Condi Rice, and she's forever tarnished by Bush.

Powell is still prominent, and he managed to extricate himself early enough. Powell is possibly the only Republican I might consider voting for, because he's the only one I've seen in twenty years to demonstrate anything in the way of integrity.

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Postby Tekania » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:50 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance ...


The current ridiculous partisanship of American 'conservatives' is certainly spoiling the chances of Republicans being taken seriously.

I don't see much of a supporting argument on this question.

I believe the Republican Party will be looking for a charismatic black man in the near future, to run for the office. One with solid conservative credentials.

I believe the next black man the Democrats put forward will be more of what Obama is.

The "independents" (re: conservative vs. liberal) might swing away from that Democratic Party candidate.


The last time the RNC decided to come up with a charismatic candidate for a VP/POTUS race we ended up with this:

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Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Treznor » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:51 am

Tekania wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance ...


The current ridiculous partisanship of American 'conservatives' is certainly spoiling the chances of Republicans being taken seriously.

I don't see much of a supporting argument on this question.

I believe the Republican Party will be looking for a charismatic black man in the near future, to run for the office. One with solid conservative credentials.

I believe the next black man the Democrats put forward will be more of what Obama is.

The "independents" (re: conservative vs. liberal) might swing away from that Democratic Party candidate.


The last time the RNC decided to come up with a charismatic candidate for a VP/POTUS race we ended up with this:

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You definitely have a point there.

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Postby Angleter » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:55 am

Treznor wrote:
Angleter wrote:I don't think so. The only really prominent black Republican is Condi Rice, and she's forever tarnished by Bush.

Powell is still prominent, and he managed to extricate himself early enough. Powell is possibly the only Republican I might consider voting for, because he's the only one I've seen in twenty years to demonstrate anything in the way of integrity.


Colin Powell? He endorsed teh ebil socialist muslim Obama over teh ebil liberal RINO McCain, so the chances of him getting through the primaries are close to nil.
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Postby Rolamec » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:55 am

Tekania wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance ...


The current ridiculous partisanship of American 'conservatives' is certainly spoiling the chances of Republicans being taken seriously.

I don't see much of a supporting argument on this question.

I believe the Republican Party will be looking for a charismatic black man in the near future, to run for the office. One with solid conservative credentials.

I believe the next black man the Democrats put forward will be more of what Obama is.

The "independents" (re: conservative vs. liberal) might swing away from that Democratic Party candidate.


The last time the RNC decided to come up with a charismatic candidate for a VP/POTUS race we ended up with this:

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Postby Treznor » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:58 am

Angleter wrote:
Treznor wrote:
Angleter wrote:I don't think so. The only really prominent black Republican is Condi Rice, and she's forever tarnished by Bush.

Powell is still prominent, and he managed to extricate himself early enough. Powell is possibly the only Republican I might consider voting for, because he's the only one I've seen in twenty years to demonstrate anything in the way of integrity.


Colin Powell? He endorsed teh ebil socialist muslim Obama over teh ebil liberal RINO McCain, so the chances of him getting through the primaries are close to nil.

Plus he's shown very little interest in running for office. I doubt he'd ever show up as a serious candidate, I'm just saying that as an ebil librul I'm most likely to cross the aisle to vote for Powell, depending on what candidate the Democrats put forward. Between Obama and Powell I'd still vote for Obama, but between Powell and Hillary I'd probably go for Powell.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:58 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:I'm wondering, is President Obama's current performance as POTUS spoiling the chance for a future African-American, Democratic Party Presidential candidate?

Will the next POTUS of African-American descent be from the Republican Party?


i dont see any reason to think that the next black president will be from any particular party.
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