Georgia's Move to Ban Abortion.

[Gravlen]

Yeah, I was rather amused/horrified at the 'concentration can' remark, but the whole thing seems moronic.

It's like the law suddenly will allow these 40,000 embryos to magically be born! They didn't have a chance before, being hidden away from society like Demolition Man, but with the new legislation they have been emancipated! FREEDOM!

Dude, this made me lol so hard.

Give them freedom or give them death? [/bad paraphrase]

Death or cake

[Ryadn]

I see it now. Georgia Republicans want to get more votes. And who more likely votes than beings that literally do not possess brains? Those aren't embryos, those are Citizens, and they should have the right to vote Republican! While we're at it, they should have the right to do anything that adults can, except get abortions.

Sigh. Anti-abortion nuts. They don't have the courage of their own convictions, or really, any convictions at all.

On the other hand, that's another 40,000 lined up for Social Security. Imagine how horrendous the paperwork will be. And do you know how hard it is to get proof of identity from something that's only the size of an ink dot?

[Enadail]

On the other hand, that's another 40,000 lined up for Social Security. Imagine how horrendous the paperwork will be. And do you know how hard it is to get proof of identity from something that's only the size of an ink dot?

Not even. Don't forget, the law says from the first cell... So you're talking about something so small you cannot see it with the naked eye.

Hopefully one day, people will stop redefining science to fit their own personal views... Galileo comes to mind.

[Farnhamia]

All I can say is that this is horrible. A woman should have the right to decide what goes on in her body.

Out of curiosity, New Mitanni, are you pro-choice or anti-choice?

NM is anti-everyone except himself.

Be fair, if you agree with him he'll be for you.

So, yes, I think the 40,000 unlawfully imprisoned pre-born citizens of the GREAT State of Georgia should be brought to term as soon as possible. They could use the jury duty system, just change the programs to pick more women. They could set up fertility clinics in or near the county courthouses. Then, when a woman is not chosen to serve on a jury, she goes somewhere nearby and is implanted with a rescued pre-born person. *nod*

This was tried in Colorado last year, as a referendum, and was voted down.

[Desperate Measures]

All I can say is that this is horrible. A woman should have the right to decide what goes on in her body.

Out of curiosity, New Mitanni, are you pro-choice or anti-choice?

NM is anti-everyone except himself.

Be fair, if you agree with him he'll be for you.

So, yes, I think the 40,000 unlawfully imprisoned pre-born citizens of the GREAT State of Georgia should be brought to term as soon as possible. They could use the jury duty system, just change the programs to pick more women. They could set up fertility clinics in or near the county courthouses. Then, when a woman is not chosen to serve on a jury, she goes somewhere nearby and is implanted with a rescued pre-born person. *nod*

This was tried in Colorado last year, as a referendum, and was voted down.

You jest.

[Grave_n_idle]

Yay for Georgia! But wouldn't that mean the person who was given the custody rights would be able to make the decision on whether it should be aborted or left alone? What on Earth do you mean by "their" child? Who decides who is appropriate anyway? Will the court give it to the right wing nut instead of the more left pro abortion leaning person?

Well, obviously, you wouldn't give the custody rights to someone who would consider allowing abortion - because those people can't be trusted to make such decisions.

I'm momentarily even MORE horrified, actually - since I thought about the fact that minors raped by guardians can now be FORCED to carry the preganancy to term, since their custodial rights are still held by their own guardians.

Georgia makes me want to vomit.

[Ryadn]

Yay for Georgia! But wouldn't that mean the person who was given the custody rights would be able to make the decision on whether it should be aborted or left alone? What on Earth do you mean by "their" child? Who decides who is appropriate anyway? Will the court give it to the right wing nut instead of the more left pro abortion leaning person?

Well, obviously, you wouldn't give the custody rights to someone who would consider allowing abortion - because those people can't be trusted to make such decisions.

I'm momentarily even MORE horrified, actually - since I thought about the fact that minors raped by guardians can now be FORCED to carry the preganancy to term, since their custodial rights are still held by their own guardians.

Georgia makes me want to vomit.

California does the same thing to me. We just NARROWLY rejected a parental notification proposition last election. Hard-line social conservatives like to pretend parents never sexually abuse their children, I guess.

[Grays Harbor]

Thank God for Georgia.

Wow, i dont think ive ever seen those four words in that order before.

I say it all the time, just not in this instance.

I'm so sorry your opinion of the South is so low. A pity, really.

[Pope Joan]

Despite the increasingly conservative composition of the Court, Roe v. Wade has always been upheld as binding precedent.

Miranda has been seriously eroded by exception after exception, but the only inroads against Roe v. Wade have been in criminal homicide cases in which a fetus was killed as a result of a felonious assault upon the mother, which is a narrow exception.

I do not expect the Court to allow this to stand.

[Farnhamia]

This was tried in Colorado last year, as a referendum, and was voted down.

You jest.

Ha, sorry, no, not the jury duty thing, the "human from the instant of conception" thing.

[Dempublicents1]

here is the actual law as passed by the legislature

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2009_10/sum/hb388.htm

I was going to say this looked like it had Shafer's name all over it and, what do you know? He was the only sponsor of it in the Senate.

*sigh*

It could be worse. If they'd manage to pass the bill earlier this year that would have made it a crime to destroy an embryo created by in vitro, it would have been much more ugly. Every fertility clinic in the state would have closed up and left town.

As it is, I'm not even really sure what this bill does. It provides for legal adoption of embryos? It certainly makes it clear that a woman who gets a leftover embryo from someone else's IVF and carries to term can be seen as the legal parent of any child that results. But the wording on it is a bit scary.

[Dempublicents1]

Meh, I'm not too concerned. The terminology of an embryo doesn't change anything. Let the religious wackos call fetuses human, and leave it in peace. There is no way they could ban abortion because that would attempt to override a Supreme Court ruling and to do that, they would have to go to the Supreme Court.

No, they'd effectively ban abortion, by determining your fitness to make a decision about aborting... based on whether you decide to keep it or abort it.

If you decide to abort, your legal custody rights can be handed to someone 'more appropriate', and you would then be forced to carry THEIR child to term.


Georgia has effectively created a legal loophole which allows slavery.

To be fair, I'm not seeing anything in the law that allows for that sort of transfer. It allows for a transfer in which all parties (the biological parents and the new parents) must sign a contract.

[Dempublicents1]

Clearly this is a ridiculous move that is just going to stir up controversy. Its amazing how a slight re-wording of words by a few, can cause a rally from the masses. I am personally pro-choice, so I am opposed to this re definition of medical terms.

They are improving. A few years ago, they were trying to define an unfertilized egg as a human person with rights. At least they moved up a step.

[Dempublicents1]

Yay for Georgia! But wouldn't that mean the person who was given the custody rights would be able to make the decision on whether it should be aborted or left alone? What on Earth do you mean by "their" child? Who decides who is appropriate anyway? Will the court give it to the right wing nut instead of the more left pro abortion leaning person?

Well, obviously, you wouldn't give the custody rights to someone who would consider allowing abortion - because those people can't be trusted to make such decisions.

I'm momentarily even MORE horrified, actually - since I thought about the fact that minors raped by guardians can now be FORCED to carry the preganancy to term, since their custodial rights are still held by their own guardians.

Georgia makes me want to vomit.

Georgia already has a parental consent law.

[Sarkhaan]

I see it now. Georgia Republicans want to get more votes. And who more likely votes than beings that literally do not possess brains?

Well, yeah, I mean, these days who ELSE is going to vote republican?

Welcome to Costco?

[JuNii]

75% of single-celled 'humans' end up being rinsed from the body during meunstration. They better hire a hell of a lot of rescue workers because every bloody tampon in America will need emergency life-saving care on site just in case.

and would the mother then be guilty of Manslaughter?

and what if the mother commits a crime? is the embryo a partner or victim?

[Grave_n_idle]

Meh, I'm not too concerned. The terminology of an embryo doesn't change anything. Let the religious wackos call fetuses human, and leave it in peace. There is no way they could ban abortion because that would attempt to override a Supreme Court ruling and to do that, they would have to go to the Supreme Court.

No, they'd effectively ban abortion, by determining your fitness to make a decision about aborting... based on whether you decide to keep it or abort it.

If you decide to abort, your legal custody rights can be handed to someone 'more appropriate', and you would then be forced to carry THEIR child to term.


Georgia has effectively created a legal loophole which allows slavery.

To be fair, I'm not seeing anything in the law that allows for that sort of transfer. It allows for a transfer in which all parties (the biological parents and the new parents) must sign a contract.

What about if the 'biological parent' is unfit to make the decision?

[Grave_n_idle]

I say it all the time, just not in this instance.

I'm so sorry your opinion of the South is so low. A pity, really.

It's not 'opinion' that is low - it's the reality.

[New Genoa]

This seems silly...

Estimates are that over 40,000 cryo-preserved human embryos are abiding in concentration cans in our state," says Becker, "this will allow them an opportunity to have a birthday."

That seems especially silly.

The 'concentration can' comment? Or the fact that a state that has children awaiting adoption is talking about adding 40,000 NEW children to the list.


Interesting though - how do you think this Becker person pictures the cryo-frozen embryo to term?

Cryo-frozen embryos are cuter than silly orphans and kids in foster schools. Haven't you read the Republican platform? Those kids are just too lazy to find parents!

[Parthenon]

I am always happy to see states take power back from the federal government no matter what the issue is at question.
Abortion isn't really my thing but riddle me this, its double homicide if you push a pregnant lady off a building yet it is perfectly acceptable if you suck the fetus up with a vacuum cleaner.

[Free Outer Eugenia]

I am always happy to see states take power back from the federal government no matter what the issue is at question.

[Vervaria]

I am always happy to see states take power back from the federal government no matter what the issue is at question.

He calls himself a Dixiecrat("Segregation forever!"), so it's possible that might not actually offend him.

[Phenia]

Abortion isn't really my thing but riddle me this, its double homicide if you push a pregnant lady off a building yet it is perfectly acceptable if you suck the fetus up with a vacuum cleaner.

That's a real quandary. Also, how come it's murder if I kill someone else, but suicide if I kill myself?

[Grave_n_idle]

I am always happy to see states take power back from the federal government no matter what the issue is at question.
Abortion isn't really my thing but riddle me this, its double homicide if you push a pregnant lady off a building yet it is perfectly acceptable if you suck the fetus up with a vacuum cleaner.

Should it be double homicide to push a pregnant woman off a building? Or is that thin-end-of-the-wedge politics to lead to a route to overturn the law?

[Parthenon]

I am always happy to see states take power back from the federal government no matter what the issue is at question.

A big straw man there and blatant trolling, however, I am going to let that slide...

If the two facilities were "separate but equal" and both served the same percentage of patrons I wouldn't mind multiple fountains, just means less of a line for both of our respective groupings and they would both encounter the same usage.