U.S Massacre Thread

[Ifreann]

Almost like I'm aware that racism continues to be a problem in America.

Hey if you wanna keep digging that hole, perhaps a backhoe would get you further down to the bottom faster?

Black students are more likely to be arrested at school. Any thoughts on how special forces training would improve that situation?

[Vassenor]

Hey if you wanna keep digging that hole, perhaps a backhoe would get you further down to the bottom faster?

Black students are more likely to be arrested at school. Any thoughts on how special forces training would improve that situation?

Depends if they get better conflict resolution training than the cops do.

[Grinning Dragon]

Hey if you wanna keep digging that hole, perhaps a backhoe would get you further down to the bottom faster?

Black students are more likely to be arrested at school. Any thoughts on how special forces training would improve that situation?

Vass kinda beat me to it.
Better conflict reasoning, and yet still wouldn't hesitate to throw themselves into the shit when it goes down.
The other reason is some military lifers who either get aged out or decided they've had enough, often times feel they still want to serve and be useful. So why not take advantage of that, and put the police officers back out on the beat.

[Ifreann]

Black students are more likely to be arrested at school. Any thoughts on how special forces training would improve that situation?

Vass kinda beat me to it.
Better conflict reasoning,

I wouldn't think that special forces training involves learning how to deal with children in any way except shooting them.

and yet still wouldn't hesitate to throw themselves into the shit when it goes down.

Great news for the Black students, the SRO won't hesitate to kill you if he thinks the shit is going down. I'm sure that will foster a healthy learning environment.

The other reason is some military lifers who either get aged out or decided they've had enough, often times feel they still want to serve and be useful. So why not take advantage of that, and put the police officers back out on the beat.

There's nothing useful about being a school cop.

[Grinning Dragon]

Vass kinda beat me to it.
Better conflict reasoning,

I wouldn't think that special forces training involves learning how to deal with children in any way except shooting them.

and yet still wouldn't hesitate to throw themselves into the shit when it goes down.

Great news for the Black students, the SRO won't hesitate to kill you if he thinks the shit is going down. I'm sure that will foster a healthy learning environment.

The other reason is some military lifers who either get aged out or decided they've had enough, often times feel they still want to serve and be useful. So why not take advantage of that, and put the police officers back out on the beat.

There's nothing useful about being a school cop.

Well they do under go conflict resolution.
Christ on a chocolate pogo stick, what is it with you and playing the joy reid make believe reverse uno card?
Perhaps talk with a vet, I know I have many times as I have many in my family and understand what they go through when their govt tosses them aside like yesterday's garbage.

[Ifreann]

I wouldn't think that special forces training involves learning how to deal with children in any way except shooting them.


Great news for the Black students, the SRO won't hesitate to kill you if he thinks the shit is going down. I'm sure that will foster a healthy learning environment.


There's nothing useful about being a school cop.

Well they do under go conflict resolution.

In that shooting people is technically a means of conflict resolution, sure. Can't have conflicts with corpses.

And perhaps you and Vass ought to consider that the problem of SROs arresting Black kids all the time isn't a matter of insufficient conflict resolution training.

Christ on a chocolate pogo stick, what is it with you and playing the joy reid make believe reverse uno card?

I don't know who Joy Reid is, and I don't understand how you can be so flabbergasted at references to the state of American policing.

Perhaps talk with a vet, I know I have many times as I have many in my family and understand what they go through when their govt tosses them aside like yesterday's garbage.

How veterans feel about being discarded by the government has no bearing on whether being a school cop is useful. Kids don't need armed gunmen breathing down their necks every day, ready to haul them off to fucking prison for misbehaving in class.

[Vassenor]

Well they do under go conflict resolution.

In that shooting people is technically a means of conflict resolution, sure. Can't have conflicts with corpses.

And perhaps you and Vass ought to consider that the problem of SROs arresting Black kids all the time isn't a matter of insufficient conflict resolution training.

Christ on a chocolate pogo stick, what is it with you and playing the joy reid make believe reverse uno card?

I don't know who Joy Reid is, and I don't understand how you can be so flabbergasted at references to the state of American policing.

Perhaps talk with a vet, I know I have many times as I have many in my family and understand what they go through when their govt tosses them aside like yesterday's garbage.

How veterans feel about being discarded by the government has no bearing on whether being a school cop is useful. Kids don't need armed gunmen breathing down their necks every day, ready to haul them off to fucking prison for misbehaving in class.

Where did I say that CRT or the lack thereof was the source of the problem?

[Ifreann]

In that shooting people is technically a means of conflict resolution, sure. Can't have conflicts with corpses.

And perhaps you and Vass ought to consider that the problem of SROs arresting Black kids all the time isn't a matter of insufficient conflict resolution training.


I don't know who Joy Reid is, and I don't understand how you can be so flabbergasted at references to the state of American policing.


How veterans feel about being discarded by the government has no bearing on whether being a school cop is useful. Kids don't need armed gunmen breathing down their necks every day, ready to haul them off to fucking prison for misbehaving in class.

Where did I say that CRT or the lack thereof was the source of the problem?

Black students are more likely to be arrested at school. Any thoughts on how special forces training would improve that situation?

Depends if they get better conflict resolution training than the cops do.

[Vassenor]

Where did I say that CRT or the lack thereof was the source of the problem?

Depends if they get better conflict resolution training than the cops do.

So no I didn't say better conflict resolution training would end SRO racism.

[Ifreann]

So no I didn't say better conflict resolution training would end SRO racism.

You answered a question about improving the situation of Black kids being disproportionately arrested with a comment about conflict resolution training, but of course you didn't mean that better conflict resolution training would improve that situation. You just brought it up for no reason.

[Vassenor]

So no I didn't say better conflict resolution training would end SRO racism.

You answered a question about improving the situation of Black kids being disproportionately arrested with a comment about conflict resolution training, but of course you didn't mean that better conflict resolution training would improve that situation. You just brought it up for no reason.

Yeah we can hear the stretching from here.

[Ifreann]

You answered a question about improving the situation of Black kids being disproportionately arrested with a comment about conflict resolution training, but of course you didn't mean that better conflict resolution training would improve that situation. You just brought it up for no reason.

Yeah we can hear the stretching from here.

Are you going to tell me why you made that comment, or just insist that I'm wrong?

[Grinning Dragon]

Well they do under go conflict resolution.

In that shooting people is technically a means of conflict resolution, sure. Can't have conflicts with corpses.

And perhaps you and Vass ought to consider that the problem of SROs arresting Black kids all the time isn't a matter of insufficient conflict resolution training.

Christ on a chocolate pogo stick, what is it with you and playing the joy reid make believe reverse uno card?

I don't know who Joy Reid is, and I don't understand how you can be so flabbergasted at references to the state of American policing.

Perhaps talk with a vet, I know I have many times as I have many in my family and understand what they go through when their govt tosses them aside like yesterday's garbage.

How veterans feel about being discarded by the government has no bearing on whether being a school cop is useful. Kids don't need armed gunmen breathing down their necks every day, ready to haul them off to fucking prison for misbehaving in class.

Prior military peeps who go into civilian law enforcement are less likely to go to guns off the bat and are more likely to read the "room" and assess from there due to their training.
Where are you getting your information about SRO's? Breathing down their necks? Unless I've missed something, the one's around here at my campuses don't act like that. 3 of them are prior military and are very understanding and patient but can be firm when the need arises.

Joy reid is a news harpy that sees racism everywhere.

[The Emerald Legion]

I literally work in schools. SRO's are good people by and large. To be honest, they're usually better at dealing with misbehaving children than the teachers are.

[Greater Cesnica]

I literally work in schools. SRO's are good people by and large. To be honest, they're usually better at dealing with misbehaving children than the teachers are.

Well SROs tend to interact with students at a more casual level.

[San Lumen]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/us/ralei ... index.html

5 dead in Raleigh, North Carolina, shooting, mayor says

[Stellar Colonies]

A shooting killed their student. Now two California teachers are educating kids about gun violence (The Guardian)

Athena Larois and Melanie Swandby, who lost Jacob Gonazalez, 17, in a shooting in 2013, wanted to be more proactive in addressing the issue

Since the beginning of this school year, there have been at least two school shootings in Oakland, California.

A shooting at the end of August in Madison Park academy in East Oakland, allegedly committed by a 12-year-old student, left one classmate injured. Another, at Rudsdale Newcomer high school in East Oakland, left six wounded.

These shootings are part of a broader pattern of community gun violence in Oakland, a dynamic that has ripple effects throughout families, neighborhoods and communities.

The daily toll of gun violence is why some Oakland teachers are adopting an innovative and multi-disciplinary gun violence curriculum. The program, which will be used in at least two Oakland schools this year, includes learning about the history of the second amendment, surveying gun violence victims in their own neighborhoods and writing opinion pieces that draw on policy and data analysis.

The curriculum was developed following the shooting death of 17-year-old Jacob Gonzalez in Oakland in 2013. His former middle school teachers, Athena Larios and Melanie Swandby at Lighthouse Community charter school – which is about two miles from Madison Park academy, where one school shooting occurred this year – were shaken by the loss and wanted to be more proactive in addressing gun violence with their students.

“We do have a problem, so what do we do about it?” Larios recalled thinking at the time.

In their expeditionary learning school, where students delve into a topic in-depth for months at a time, the teachers wanted to incorporate a curriculum that the students could relate to. The students voted on what they would study and the majority chose to learn more about gun violence.

“Guns and gun violence impact more young students than we’ll ever know,” said Shuna Lewis, a resource and education specialist at the school. Lewis lost her first husband when he was shot and killed by young men during an attempted robbery in 2008.

In social studies, students learned about the second amendment and the history of guns in the US, while in math, they looked at statistics using information they gathered through a survey of their neighbors and other community members. They used their findings to calculate rates of gun violence and then visualized where violence was most prevalent by making a wooden map of Oakland with circuits and LED lights to mark where shootings occurred, according to Swandby.

The students also wrote op-eds about solutions to gun violence, citing policy ideas and statistics they gathered. Guest speakers, including victims of gun violence, city officials and violence prevention specialists were invited to address the entire school.

The teachers created the curriculum in partnership with Vision Quilt, a national non-profit based in Portland that uses art and dialogue to address gun violence and to heal from violence. Their signature art project is using a 18in by 24in canvas, loosely based on the idea of the Aids quilt, where members of the public can create art and display them publicly.

“I couldn’t stand for one more kid to be shot,” said Cathy DeForest, executive director of Vision Quilt, who visited Oakland to help with the implementation of the curriculum. “We believe that gun violence is a solvable problem. We just have to have the will.”

The educators piloted the curriculum in 2016, and continued it for four years.

During the pandemic, as gun sales surged, the teachers shifted gears and created an in-depth digital toolkit in partnership with Vision Quilt so that schools across the US could adopt the curriculum. The toolkit includes case studies, lesson plans for math and history, and strategies for addressing the social-emotional needs of children.

One of the considerations and challenges in building the curriculum was how to not retraumatize the students who were exposed to gun violence at an early age, the educators said.

“How are we going to do this in a way that’s not harming them any more than gun violence already does, in a responsible way and really serving their emotional needs?” Larios said. So the teachers said they focused instead on empowering students.

The school ensured that onsite counselors were ready to speak with students and families if needed, and gave families warning of what topics were about to come up.

The teachers also said they wanted to avoid telling the students what to think, so they could draw their own conclusions based on their research and learning. For instance, some students are fascinated with guns, Swandby said, including Gonzalez, whose 2013 killing inspired the curriculum. He used to draw guns in class, she said, so the teachers recognize that the most vulnerable students are sometimes the ones who are most interested in them.

While the teachers acknowledge that their three-month curriculum isn’t possible for all teachers and schools, they’re hopeful that it can be adapted to different educational settings, with consideration for students’ emotional needs. Several schools across the US have expressed interest in adopting it next semester.

The curriculum is “portable and powerful”, DeForest said. “Instead of arming teachers, we’re trying to arm students and teachers with education. We’re trying to win over people’s hearts and minds, and young people can do that.”

At Lighthouse, the three month-long curriculum culminates in an exhibition of the student-made quilts – panels they painted or drew on, often with messages – in downtown Oakland that hundreds of parents and community members are invited to. The colorful banners address not only gun violence but related issues like police brutality, cyberbullying, resilience and race.

In previous years, about 70 pieces of quilt panels, many from Lighthouse but also others from across the country, were displayed inside Oakland City Hall after the exhibition event. Now, more than 200 of these images are publicly displayed along a mile-and-a-half stretch of International Boulevard in East Oakland, which has seen much of the city’s gun violence, where they’ll hang another four years.

Larios and Swandby, who have both since left Lighthouse to teach elsewhere in Oakland, said their curriculum is a “humble offering” and hoped that it was a starting point for young people to discuss the impacts of gun violence.

DeForest, of Vision Quilt, said that after completing the course, 88% of students said they had an increased knowledge about gun violence and the causes of gun violence, according to an internal survey, and 91% said they intended to prevent gun violence in their community, family or school.

Lewis, the special education teacher, said the curriculum is powerful because of the students’ deep engagement in it. “They are involved in this very difficult yet necessary work that promotes positive change, because they know they can be changemakers,” she said.

Xitlalic Castro, who was in seventh grade when she participated in the curriculum and is now a senior, said the program helped her become a leader and run for student council. “I gained the knowledge that I have a voice, that everybody does,” she said. The curriculum also helped the school community become closer, since everyone was working together on the same topic, she added.

Castro said it’s more important than ever for students and communities to start talking about gun violence.

“As people of color in Oakland, it’s a real issue, it is a real problem,” she said. “It was reassuring to me that we have a voice and we were able to have somewhat of a change, even if it was spreading the message that it needed to stop. It’s very scary, it’s very emotional. This is why the curriculum can be so helpful, to spread the awareness of gun violence so hopefully this can come to an end. I’m hopeful.”

[Ifreann]

In that shooting people is technically a means of conflict resolution, sure. Can't have conflicts with corpses.

And perhaps you and Vass ought to consider that the problem of SROs arresting Black kids all the time isn't a matter of insufficient conflict resolution training.


I don't know who Joy Reid is, and I don't understand how you can be so flabbergasted at references to the state of American policing.


How veterans feel about being discarded by the government has no bearing on whether being a school cop is useful. Kids don't need armed gunmen breathing down their necks every day, ready to haul them off to fucking prison for misbehaving in class.

Prior military peeps who go into civilian law enforcement are less likely to go to guns off the bat and are more likely to read the "room" and assess from there due to their training.

Their training on whether or not to kill someone is not useful for dealing with children.

Where are you getting your information about SRO's? Breathing down their necks? Unless I've missed something, the one's around here at my campuses don't act like that. 3 of them are prior military and are very understanding and patient but can be firm when the need arises.

They're cops. Their job is arresting people. They arrest kids in schools a lot, disproportionately Black kids. Having them around is a threat of arrest that children do not need hanging over their heads. And requiring that they have more advanced training in killing people does not improve that situation.

Joy reid is a news harpy that sees racism everywhere.

Well if you think I'm being like Joy Reid by pointing out racial disparities in arrests of children in schools then I'm guessing this is one of those "They hate her because she told the truth" deals.

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I literally work in schools. SRO's are good people by and large. To be honest, they're usually better at dealing with misbehaving children than the teachers are.

Cops should not have any part in dealing with misbehaving children. Being a shit in school should never be met with the threat, implied or explicit, of legal sanction.

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I literally work in schools. SRO's are good people by and large. To be honest, they're usually better at dealing with misbehaving children than the teachers are.

Well SROs tend to interact with students at a more casual level.

Casually arresting them and taking them to jail.

[Gig em Aggies]

Don’t know if any sources talked about it yet but was one of the two rifles the shooter had in Nashville a
Keltec Sub-2000 9mm? I heard first reports about two assault rifles but just by looking at a video from a local Tennessee news station it looks like a sub machine gun or machine pistol. At first I thought it was a modified Uzi, but I think I’m wrong.

[Adamede]

Don’t know if any sources talked about it yet but was one of the two rifles the shooter had in Nashville a
Keltec Sub-2000 9mm? I heard first reports about two assault rifles but just by looking at a video from a local Tennessee news station it looks like a sub machine gun or machine pistol. At first I thought it was a modified Uzi, but I think I’m wrong.

Yes one of them was a Keltec Sub-2000. Other one i couldn’t tell but look to probably be something with a free flaking hand guard like a Ruger pcc or AR or something.