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Thervingia
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Postby Thervingia » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:00 am

Infinite Coscotlan wrote:
Soyouso wrote:If you are transgender, whether you are nonbinary or binary, you have some sort of gender dysphoria. That's literally what not being comfortable being your assigned sex and mentally being something else no matter how you try to pretend to fit into it is, dysphoria. I don't see how a literal mental disorder can't possibly cause someone to feel nonbinary instead of the opposite just because people don't think it's possible. It's literally a disorder, it's not going to follow our rules or disappear because we don't want to think of it that way. The new gender identity names were made to describe it, not to confuse people and be edgy. There are people who think that they're nonbinary because they don't fit into gender stereotypes. That's not what being transgender is.

I am a bigender alterating person that has gender dysphoria. I don't choose which I am when I wake up in the morning. It just happens by itself and I have to hope to God I don't wake up male, because it's a burden. I hate my voice more than usual because it doesn't match my mental voice. Looking at myself in the mirror feels like looking at another person. I feel dread knowing I'll never have the "parts" I'm missing, and just want to get rid of the "parts" I do have because they just shouldn't fucking be there. Because I'm fluid, I'll never be able to fully transition like binary trans men get to, because guess what? Then my female side would start triggering dysphoria! It's not like I have different personalities, the problem is that they are both me, and I'll never get to fully live my life as either. Because of my female side I'll never get to fully transition as a male, and because of my male side I have to avoid certain things. I'm probably not even going to have kids (aside from adoption) because I wouldn't be able to handle the dysphoria. I'm so jealous of people that aren't fluid or aren't trans, they don't have to deal with this.

Don't try to act like my experience means nothing because you don't think it's possible. No amount of denial is going to just remove people like me from existing.

That is a most curious situation. Considering this constant alternation of gender identity causes so much distress, perhaps it is prudent to consider ontologically (i.e. philosophically) discarding both identities and simply see oneself as a conscious brain, no matter what the support structure looks like? After all, sex-based traits are as arbitrarily assigned as skin colour or nose shape, and need not be foundations of identity at all.

I know I could upload myself into a floating green sphere or a planet-sized tetrahedron without experiencing any identity dissonance.

I don't think most of us are capable of existing as beings of carnal self-surrender and perpetual transition.

Unless, of course, the collective in charge of the global water supply would add massive amounts of everything ergot-related into our water supplies. One can only hope, I guess.
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Postby Annihitor the Incred » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:00 am

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
Soyouso wrote:I was baptised at a protestant church long before I knew what I was experiencing was dysphoria. I haven't gone to any church in a long time, I don't plan to again and would rather focus on a relationship with God. And no, I don't plan to talk to any priest, they intimidate me.


By God's grace, perhaps you will change your mind. Do bear in mind that Holy Communion is the bread of life. As for opinions you get from those who believe not, Scripture says:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)

Boo, that's rather dull, don't you think? Why worship a universe-creator when you can invoke an entire living omniverse?! Iä, Yog-Sothoth! Iä! :blink:

Thervingia wrote:I don't think most of us are capable of existing as beings of carnal self-surrender and perpetual transition.

Unless, of course, the collective in charge of the global water supply would add massive amounts of everything ergot-related into our water supplies. One can only hope, I guess.

Lol friend, shrooms are not good for you. Care to translate that?
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:17 am

ANNIHITOR THE INCRED wrote:
The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
By God's grace, perhaps you will change your mind. Do bear in mind that Holy Communion is the bread of life. As for opinions you get from those who believe not, Scripture says:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)

Boo, that's rather dull, don't you think? Why worship a universe-creator when you can invoke an entire living omniverse?! Iä, Yog-Sothoth! Iä! :blink:

Thervingia wrote:I don't think most of us are capable of existing as beings of carnal self-surrender and perpetual transition.

Unless, of course, the collective in charge of the global water supply would add massive amounts of everything ergot-related into our water supplies. One can only hope, I guess.

Lol friend, shrooms are not good for you. Care to translate that?

Pfft, why worship an entity that doesn’t even know or care that you exist? At least Nyarlathotep knows we exist. :p

Have you watched any of the Exploring series perchance?
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Postby Annihitor the Incred » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:30 am

Sovaal wrote:
ANNIHITOR THE INCRED wrote:Boo, that's rather dull, don't you think? Why worship a universe-creator when you can invoke an entire living omniverse?! Iä, Yog-Sothoth! Iä! :blink:


Lol friend, shrooms are not good for you. Care to translate that?

Pfft, why worship an entity that doesn’t even know or care that you exist? At least Nyarlathotep knows we exist. :p

Have you watched any of the Exploring series perchance?

I have, though before that I read all of Lovecraft, many other mythos authors, and had countless online discussions on the topic.

Eh, Yog-Sothoth would see all and know all anyway, without being actively screwing with you. :p
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Postby Thervingia » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:59 am

ANNIHITOR THE INCRED wrote:
The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
By God's grace, perhaps you will change your mind. Do bear in mind that Holy Communion is the bread of life. As for opinions you get from those who believe not, Scripture says:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)

Boo, that's rather dull, don't you think? Why worship a universe-creator when you can invoke an entire living omniverse?! Iä, Yog-Sothoth! Iä! :blink:

Thervingia wrote:I don't think most of us are capable of existing as beings of carnal self-surrender and perpetual transition.

Unless, of course, the collective in charge of the global water supply would add massive amounts of everything ergot-related into our water supplies. One can only hope, I guess.

Lol friend, shrooms are not good for you. Care to translate that?

Haven't taken any hallucinogens in quite a while now. I guess that just makes it all the more scarier for me, I guess.

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Postby The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:16 pm

Soyouso wrote:I don't need a building and other Christians around me to worship God. I just need God.


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Postby Dagashi Shoujo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:20 pm

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:No comments on the 'thou', it's bait.


You didn't actually point out how I was wrong though.
The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:have a spiritual cause?


:rofl:
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Postby The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:30 pm

Dagashi Shoujo wrote:...


Seems like you have the whole world figured out already,
the fruit of secularism.
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Postby Dagashi Shoujo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:30 pm

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:Seems like you have the whole world figured out already,
the fruit of secularism.


No, I don't, and the big difference between me and you is that I don't pretend to.
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Postby The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:32 pm

Dagashi Shoujo wrote:No, I don't, and the big difference between me and you is that I don't pretend to.


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Postby Cedoria » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:54 pm

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
Dagashi Shoujo wrote:...


Seems like you have the whole world figured out already,
the fruit of secularism.

Nope. No secularist pretends otherwise. It's generally the faithful liike you who claim to know things they cannot possibly know.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:24 pm

Liriena wrote:Geesh, that's a low-effort OP.

Anyway, I'm not sure OP understands what "postgender" means. Also, non-binary people aren't "special snowflakes". If anything, being non-binary is the worst way one could choose to be a "special snowflake". You'd have a better shot at being one by calling yourself the biggest Twilight fan ever than you would at rejecting the Western gender binary.


Why "western?" Are the only cultures with a gender binary western? Is rejecting an eastern gender binary a lot easier? To me, that just seems like a way to say "BTW, the west is poo poo." for no reason.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:54 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Liriena wrote:Geesh, that's a low-effort OP.

Anyway, I'm not sure OP understands what "postgender" means. Also, non-binary people aren't "special snowflakes". If anything, being non-binary is the worst way one could choose to be a "special snowflake". You'd have a better shot at being one by calling yourself the biggest Twilight fan ever than you would at rejecting the Western gender binary.


Why "western?" Are the only cultures with a gender binary western? Is rejecting an eastern gender binary a lot easier? To me, that just seems like a way to say "BTW, the west is poo poo." for no reason.

Unless I'm mistaken, OP is from a Western country and, given the rhetoric, was speaking from a Western perspective on this issue. Ergo, I pointed to the Western gender binary in particular. That does not imply that no other gender binary exists elsewhere.
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:40 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:We all know what gender dysphoria is: it is a medical condition where one's gender identity, which we now know to be hardwired, does not correlate with one's sex. This is a widely documented medical phenomenon.

I argue that postgenderism, "I'm my own gender, " or "no gender" has zero to do with this. Such positions have no medical support, and are basically "I'm a special snowflake, short and stout."

What are your opinions on "postgender" theory?


One fact that influenced the acceptance and treatment of transgendered people was that they were literally killing themselves. Not just suicide, but castrating themselves, a bloody and painful way to die.

I do not see any similar crisis affecting those in the "postgender" camp, although I have some mutual acquaintance there thanks to some family members who want to be accepting. The feeling in the LGBT community may be that "if we come down as intolerant on this group, we risk losing our own social and legal support". I may be wrong about this.
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Postby Annihitor the Incred » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:46 am

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
Soyouso wrote:I don't need a building and other Christians around me to worship God. I just need God.


The Church teaches that no Christian should seperate himself from the Church, based on the words of Our Lord: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20)

You should recognise that such logic leads only to desolation of the mind, dissolution of the individual, and an end times that goes in the opposite direction. Do you want Stan to win?
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:22 am

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
Soyouso wrote:I don't need a building and other Christians around me to worship God. I just need God.


The Church teaches that no Christian should seperate himself from the Church, based on the words of Our Lord: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20)

Quick question, which church is the true church?
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Postby Thervingia » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:53 am

Sovaal wrote:
The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
The Church teaches that no Christian should seperate himself from the Church, based on the words of Our Lord: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20)

Quick question, which church is the true church?

My church, of course.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:54 am

Thervingia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Quick question, which church is the true church?

My church, of course.

Heretic, that would be my church across the street! To arms, holy war against the Othersiders!
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Postby Thervingia » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:55 am

It seems as if our small microcosm well exemplifies the religious dissonance throughout the world in fewer than 250 words. My my.
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Postby Banna republia » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:56 am

I could care less if someone wants to identify as some mumbo jumbo but im going to call them what i want to call them.

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Postby The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:09 am

Sovaal wrote:Quick question, which church is the true church?


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Postby Soyouso » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:11 am

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
Soyouso wrote:I don't need a building and other Christians around me to worship God. I just need God.


The Church teaches that no Christian should seperate himself from the Church, based on the words of Our Lord: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20)


Basically this.
Thervingia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Quick question, which church is the true church?

My church, of course.

Sovaal wrote:
Thervingia wrote:My church, of course.

Heretic, that would be my church across the street! To arms, holy war against the Othersiders!

If I were to sit a member from every denomination down and say, "Will the real Christian church please stand up?", they're all going to stand up, then get into a huge argument about which one is telling falsehood, a lot of them calling everyone else lukewarm. Plus, I don't exactly get the bliss I get from praying from a church. It doesn't feel like being in a community at all, because in order to fit in without fear of them either condemning me or benevolently pulling out the conversion prayer card I have to literally hide some pretty important aspects about myself. And I can't befriend them either, because then they'd find out. Church just isn't for me anymore, and trying to force it on myself would make it even worse.

I'm just playing it safe and allowing God to be the one to push me in the right direction, and with how He uses everything that happens to me and even the things I do wrong to eventually benefit me or someone else, He's doing a pretty good job.

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Postby Annihitor the Incred » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:16 am

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Quick question, which church is the true church?


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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:08 am

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Quick question, which church is the true church?


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Who wants to know?

Probably the person who asked the damn question, namely me.
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Postby Avernian Republic » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:38 am

The number of reality-denying postmodernists in this thread is scary.

Guys, it's not about "well just let them be because it's up to them what they are"

No, it's about reality. If someone said they're a box, you'd be like, no, you're not. I'm not going to humor you into thinking you're one.

It's all fine and dandy to "let people be" until they use the law to use coercive power over you and force you to go along with it. Bill C-16 in Canada shows that this is already happening.


You dont get to decide what reality is. Not everything is subjective. You are objectively a boy or a girl

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