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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:56 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:In the past, society in general accepted a younger age of marriage. It was not just one religious group in particular.

"In the past" don't play this, the Puritans and Quakers had average marriage ages in the mid-20s, the evangelical revival in the 19th and early 20th century took a page from the book of Mormon and indulged in this sick mess.
Hakons wrote:Maybe it's different from region to region, but I've never seen this where I live. Teenage evangelicals date... teenage evangelicals. Adult evangelicals marry adult evangelicals. They do get married earlier than most folks, and have larger families, but I have not seen coerced child marriage.

It's particularly bad in some states. Tennessee has some bad juju going on with its child marriage numbers. It's not exclusive to the evangelical community, but there's a lot of correlation.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:57 pm

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It is illegal in Michigan for teachers to strike, so teachers in nearly 90 of the 100 or so public schools in the district called in sick as a way to get around the prohibition, according to the Free Press. The Detroit Federation of Teachers says it is not behind the strike. But union officials say conditions have become impossible. Class sizes are sometimes 45 or 50 students per teacher, buildings are literally crumbling, a teacher shortage persists, and, in new budget cuts this month, some security guards were let go though school district officials haven’t said exactly how many.


The teachers aren't being neglectful, they have next to no resources and little ability to protest. They're also not fostering sexual relationships between minors and adults.

Don't you get it? We already spend too much on education. Cut the budget again.
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:00 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
War Gears wrote:


The teachers aren't being neglectful, they have next to no resources and little ability to protest. They're also not fostering sexual relationships between minors and adults.

Don't you get it? We already spend too much on education. Cut the budget again.


I'm reminded of that South Park Scientology episode.

This is what Republicans actually believe.
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Postby Hakons » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:04 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:In the past, society in general accepted a younger age of marriage. It was not just one religious group in particular.

"In the past" don't play this, the Puritans and Quakers had average marriage ages in the mid-20s, the evangelical revival in the 19th and early 20th century took a page from the book of Mormon and indulged in this sick mess.
Hakons wrote:Maybe it's different from region to region, but I've never seen this where I live. Teenage evangelicals date... teenage evangelicals. Adult evangelicals marry adult evangelicals. They do get married earlier than most folks, and have larger families, but I have not seen coerced child marriage.

It's particularly bad in some states. Tennessee has some bad juju going on with its child marriage numbers. It's not exclusive to the evangelical community, but there's a lot of correlation.


Is there any data on age of marriage by religious affiliation? I can't find any.
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Postby Hakons » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:05 pm

War Gears wrote:


It is illegal in Michigan for teachers to strike, so teachers in nearly 90 of the 100 or so public schools in the district called in sick as a way to get around the prohibition, according to the Free Press. The Detroit Federation of Teachers says it is not behind the strike. But union officials say conditions have become impossible. Class sizes are sometimes 45 or 50 students per teacher, buildings are literally crumbling, a teacher shortage persists, and, in new budget cuts this month, some security guards were let go though school district officials haven’t said exactly how many.


The teachers aren't being neglectful, they have next to no resources and little ability to protest. They're also not fostering sexual relationships between minors and adults.


It's a very small number, but there obviously are teachers that are abusive and predatory.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:07 pm

Hakons wrote:Is there any data on age of marriage by religious affiliation? I can't find any.

I'm working off of memory of a study I read probably about a year ago, tbh.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:12 pm

War Gears wrote:


It is illegal in Michigan for teachers to strike, so teachers in nearly 90 of the 100 or so public schools in the district called in sick as a way to get around the prohibition, according to the Free Press. The Detroit Federation of Teachers says it is not behind the strike. But union officials say conditions have become impossible. Class sizes are sometimes 45 or 50 students per teacher, buildings are literally crumbling, a teacher shortage persists, and, in new budget cuts this month, some security guards were let go though school district officials haven’t said exactly how many.


The teachers aren't being neglectful, they have next to no resources and little ability to protest. They're also not fostering sexual relationships between minors and adults.

If there are no resources, then the school itself is neglectful.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/notori ... -scandals/
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:20 pm

War Gears wrote:


It is illegal in Michigan for teachers to strike, so teachers in nearly 90 of the 100 or so public schools in the district called in sick as a way to get around the prohibition, according to the Free Press. The Detroit Federation of Teachers says it is not behind the strike. But union officials say conditions have become impossible. Class sizes are sometimes 45 or 50 students per teacher, buildings are literally crumbling, a teacher shortage persists, and, in new budget cuts this month, some security guards were let go though school district officials haven’t said exactly how many.


The teachers aren't being neglectful, they have next to no resources and little ability to protest. They're also not fostering sexual relationships between minors and adults.


Shit, where have you been? In Chiraq we have a whole administration building full of those people that can't be fired due to the teacher's union. They are so awash with murders at the moment they can't prosecute them like they do in the countryside.

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:21 pm

War Gears wrote:http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

Homeschooling and the evangelical community both need some serious reforms.


Does the homeschooling meet standards though? That is to say, do they fare better or worse than public school students?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:23 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
War Gears wrote:http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

Homeschooling and the evangelical community both need some serious reforms.


Does the homeschooling meet standards though? That is to say, do they fare better or worse than public school students?

IIRC, better than the national average, worse than my state's average.
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:27 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
War Gears wrote:http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

Homeschooling and the evangelical community both need some serious reforms.


Does the homeschooling meet standards though? That is to say, do they fare better or worse than public school students?


I literally went four years without opening a single textbook while homeschooled. I'd say that they need better standards.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:28 pm

War Gears wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Does the homeschooling meet standards though? That is to say, do they fare better or worse than public school students?


I literally went four years without opening a single textbook while homeschooled. I'd say that they need better standards.


You'll have to forgive me poster with a thousand faces if I don't take your word for it.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:29 pm



I'm not Infact alive myself. Lord Daley brought me back from the dead to vote. We are all white walkers in Illinois. That's why I don't shill.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:30 pm

War Gears wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
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So were most of us.


What exactly do you mean by that? :eyebrow:

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:32 pm

War Gears wrote:So were most of us.

I was planned. 8)
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:33 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If there are no resources, then the school itself is neglectful.


Unless they're supposed to magically conjure up resources, then no, they aren't. That's why they're trying to protest.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/notorious-teacher-sex-scandals/


Why are you intentionally acting dense?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:35 pm


Things I shill for:

>Ba'athism
>Tsarism
>Maoism
>Xi Jinping
>Putin
>Salo
>Arranged Marriage
>Neo-Byzantine Architecture
>Industrialized agriculture, pesticides, and GMO crops
>DDT
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:36 pm

War Gears wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If there are no resources, then the school itself is neglectful.


Unless they're supposed to magically conjure up resources, then no, they aren't. That's why they're trying to protest.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/notorious-teacher-sex-scandals/


Why are you intentionally acting dense?

>"It's only neglect if it's the teachers doing it!"

The state is also capable of neglect, and, when the state does it, it has far more reaching consequences, as can be seen from that article. If you can't see that, then you're the one being dense.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:39 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
War Gears wrote:


The teachers aren't being neglectful, they have next to no resources and little ability to protest. They're also not fostering sexual relationships between minors and adults.

Don't you get it? We already spend too much on education. Cut the budget again.

Privatization is better but that works too.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:43 pm

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Grand Britannia wrote:
Anime is pretty reich wing.

See: Ghost in the Shell.


It's much better than Evangelion, which was basically a rip-off of Sartre's "bad faith" concept.

You have bad taste. Evangelion was phenomenal.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
War Gears wrote:
It's much better than Evangelion, which was basically a rip-off of Sartre's "bad faith" concept.

You have bad taste. Evangelion was phenomenal.

This, but "Welcome to the NHK" is a personal favorite of mine.
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:58 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:>"It's only neglect if it's the teachers doing it!"


We're discussing educational neglect in school and the "liberal community," not the state.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The state is also capable of neglect,


Yes, but that's not what we discussing.
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Postby War Gears » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:59 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
War Gears wrote:
It's much better than Evangelion, which was basically a rip-off of Sartre's "bad faith" concept.

You have bad taste. Evangelion was phenomenal.


No, not really. Just a lot of wasted potential.

Watamote was best. Although that might just be the bias due to relating to Tomoko.
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