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Postby Meroivinge » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:00 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Chumblywumbly wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
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Jedi 999 wrote:Hating people who have deystroyed your country is not racist...

OK, but hating and wishing ill on a whole set of people because a part of that set did something bad in the past makes no sense.


Ascribing certain traits to an entire people in a stereotypical fashion is textbook racism. Such as, for example, saying that all British are evil colonizers.

well they did colonize thats a historical fact

No-one's denying that. What I'm questioning is why you'd dislike all British people, past and present, for the action of just some.

I can understand a dislike of the individuals, institutions and policies responsible for colonisation; I can't understand saying things like "i want whats [sic] bad for britain". Why would you dislike or wish harm on me or the millions of other Brits who had no part in, and do not support, the colonisation of India?


during the british rule only a minority supported anti-colonisation


I would agree that the British colonization was a terrible thing. But it ended in the 1940s. People change. Bad ideas get outmoded. I think segregation in the United States was a terrible thing, but it would be wrong for me identify someone from Mississippi as automatically evil just because his grandfather supported segregation. Some of my ancestors (free people of color, no less) were slave-owners. Slavery is a grotesque and hideous system. I do not support it, and it would be unfair to blame me for that practice just because some long dead gens de couleur libres participated in a horrible and unjust system.

I think it's fine to be angry about injustices in the past and remain vigilant so they do not happen again. I do think it is an error to blame and hate people who took no part in these injustices and had no choice in the decisions their predecessors made. This only perpetuates a vicious cycle of aggression.

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Postby Jedi 999 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:01 am

Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .

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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:01 am

Jedi 999 wrote:but what about hating people who once hated your people and wrote stuff like white mans burden


Yes. Hating all British because of the something some British did is racist.

Honestly, the sooner you accept your blinding racism, the sooner we can stop having idiotic threads like this, and the better off we'll all be.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:01 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .


Wrong.
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Postby Dimoniquid » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:01 am

Birnadia wrote:Oh goody, more anti-British trolling.

I'm ENGLISH, by the way. They're saying about ENGLAND, not BRITAIN, since BRITAIN isn't a country.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:02 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:according to wikipedia

Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Or, on the opposite side, racism can be described as the belief that a certain race or races portray undesirable characteristics. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

According to Dictionary.com

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Jedi 999 wrote:well so i argue hating a country because they treated your people like shit is not racist but anti-racist and people who glorify these racists are racists / closet racists.
hating a country is not racist. true.
Jedi 999 wrote: Hating people who have deystroyed your country is not racist but loving those people who treated other races like shit is racist
now hating the people who have nothing to do with said destruction except they are from the country you hate... that falls into Definition 3 and can fall into Definition 1.

but what about hating people who once hated your people and wrote stuff like white mans burden

:lol2: Sounds racist to me. Don't put a value judgment on your racism if its so hard to accept that you are racist. Acknowledging the problem is the first step.
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Postby Jedi 999 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:02 am

Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .


Wrong.

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

hating people who deystroyed your country is not racist it maybe nationalistic but not racist too me

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Postby Collective Systems » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:03 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .

Dictionary.com wrote:1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

So, yeah. You're wrong.
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Postby Jedi 999 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:04 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:according to wikipedia

Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Or, on the opposite side, racism can be described as the belief that a certain race or races portray undesirable characteristics. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

According to Dictionary.com

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Jedi 999 wrote:well so i argue hating a country because they treated your people like shit is not racist but anti-racist and people who glorify these racists are racists / closet racists.
hating a country is not racist. true.
Jedi 999 wrote: Hating people who have deystroyed your country is not racist but loving those people who treated other races like shit is racist
now hating the people who have nothing to do with said destruction except they are from the country you hate... that falls into Definition 3 and can fall into Definition 1.

but what about hating people who once hated your people and wrote stuff like white mans burden

:lol2: Sounds racist to me. Don't put a value judgment on your racism if its so hard to accept that you are racist. Acknowledging the problem is the first step.


I am not racist , I just hate the fact that one fine day someone decided to enslave my country and i cant love them for that
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:04 am

Jedi 999 wrote:a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

hating people who deystroyed your country is not racist it maybe nationalistic but not racist too me


While I (as I already mentioned) disagree with the definition of racism, I do agree that hating people from country X is not necessarily racist.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:05 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .


Wrong.

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

hating people who deystroyed your country is not racist it maybe nationalistic but not racist too me


No, it's racist. By the very definition you just cited.
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Postby Jedi 999 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:06 am

Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .


Wrong.

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

hating people who deystroyed your country is not racist it maybe nationalistic but not racist too me


No, it's racist. By the very definition you just cited.


hating racists is not racist

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:06 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:according to wikipedia

Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Or, on the opposite side, racism can be described as the belief that a certain race or races portray undesirable characteristics. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

According to Dictionary.com

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Jedi 999 wrote:well so i argue hating a country because they treated your people like shit is not racist but anti-racist and people who glorify these racists are racists / closet racists.
hating a country is not racist. true.
Jedi 999 wrote: Hating people who have deystroyed your country is not racist but loving those people who treated other races like shit is racist
now hating the people who have nothing to do with said destruction except they are from the country you hate... that falls into Definition 3 and can fall into Definition 1.

but what about hating people who once hated your people and wrote stuff like white mans burden

:lol2: Sounds racist to me. Don't put a value judgment on your racism if its so hard to accept that you are racist. Acknowledging the problem is the first step.


I am not racist , I just hate the fact that one fine day someone decided to enslave my country and i cant love them for that

Then who can't you love for that? a good 90% of the people on this planet were never alive to see a colonized India, most the rest were children at the time.
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Postby Collective Systems » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:07 am

Jedi 999 wrote:hating racists is not racist

No, but hating an entire group of people based on their race, culture, or ethnicity for something they did is racist.

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Postby JuNii » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:07 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:according to wikipedia

Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Or, on the opposite side, racism can be described as the belief that a certain race or races portray undesirable characteristics. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

According to Dictionary.com

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Jedi 999 wrote:well so i argue hating a country because they treated your people like shit is not racist but anti-racist and people who glorify these racists are racists / closet racists.
hating a country is not racist. true.
Jedi 999 wrote: Hating people who have deystroyed your country is not racist but loving those people who treated other races like shit is racist
now hating the people who have nothing to do with said destruction except they are from the country you hate... that falls into Definition 3 and can fall into Definition 1.

but what about hating people who once hated your people and wrote stuff like white mans burden
key word... "ONCE". What happened in the past should stay in the past. learn from the mistakes made in the past but don't keep those mistakes alive. Americans interred my people during WWII, yet I don't hold the current Government responsible for what happened almost 70 years ago. Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor, they could've killed my mother and father, I don't hate the Japanese for what they did back then.

to hate a people because of what they did 70+ years ago is rather... petty.
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Unscramble these words...1) PNEIS. 2)HTIELR 3) NGGERI 4) BUTTSXE
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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:08 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .


Wrong.

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

hating people who deystroyed your country is not racist it maybe nationalistic but not racist too me


No, it's racist. By the very definition you just cited.


hating racists is not racist


You don't hate just racists. You hate all British people. All British people are not racists. You, however, are.
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Postby JuNii » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:09 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:according to wikipedia

Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Or, on the opposite side, racism can be described as the belief that a certain race or races portray undesirable characteristics. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

According to Dictionary.com

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Jedi 999 wrote:well so i argue hating a country because they treated your people like shit is not racist but anti-racist and people who glorify these racists are racists / closet racists.
hating a country is not racist. true.
Jedi 999 wrote: Hating people who have deystroyed your country is not racist but loving those people who treated other races like shit is racist
now hating the people who have nothing to do with said destruction except they are from the country you hate... that falls into Definition 3 and can fall into Definition 1.

but what about hating people who once hated your people and wrote stuff like white mans burden

:lol2: Sounds racist to me. Don't put a value judgment on your racism if its so hard to accept that you are racist. Acknowledging the problem is the first step.


I am not racist , I just hate the fact that one fine day someone decided to enslave my country and i cant love them for that

when was this day? give me the date please.
on the other hand... I have another set of fingers.

Unscramble these words...1) PNEIS. 2)HTIELR 3) NGGERI 4) BUTTSXE
1) SPINE. 2) LITHER 3)GINGER 4)SUBTEXT

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Postby Jedi 999 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:09 am

Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .


Wrong.

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

hating people who deystroyed your country is not racist it maybe nationalistic but not racist too me


No, it's racist. By the very definition you just cited.


hating racists is not racist


You don't hate just racists. You hate all British people. All British people are not racists. You, however, are.

Remember what bullshit they used to justify british rule
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:09 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Chumblywumbly wrote:I know English isn't your first language, so perhaps we an chalk your statements up to that, but thus far on this forum you've indicated far more than simple dislike of those British who colonised or support(ed) colonisation.

You've been suggesting that all British people are worthy of contempt, and appear to be wishing harm on us merely for being from Britain.

A country which refuses to give a public apology and refuse to give back the gems which were stolen from india

Still, that's no basis to dislike all people from said country.

hating racists is not racist

Hating an entire group of people because some are racist is bigoted.

What you're doing is the same as hating all white people because some white people are in the KKK.
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Postby The Congregationists » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:10 am

I think there's a difference between hating an ideology or policy that endorses racism and colonialism on the one hind versus hating all people who share similar nationality with those who are racist or colonialist on the other. One is legitimate and right, the other is a classic case of "those who fight monsters must beware lest they become monsters." As an example of the former is hating white supremacy and British Imperialism. As an example of the later is hating all people of British nationality.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:10 am

Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:But hating a specific group of people, no matter the cause, is still racism.

So yes sir, I am calling you a racist, and I am not wrong.

racism is hating people because of their skin colour .


Wrong.

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

hating people who deystroyed your country is not racist it maybe nationalistic but not racist too me


No, it's racist. By the very definition you just cited.


hating racists is not racist


You don't hate just racists. You hate all British people. All British people are not racists. You, however, are.

Remember what bullshit they used to justify british rule

Did they go on about how Indians are inherently inferior?
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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:11 am

Jedi 999 wrote:Remember what bullshit they used to justify british rule


Every single British person, ever?
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Postby Collective Systems » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:11 am

JuNii wrote:when was this day? give me the date please.

I do believe he/she is referring to the British colonization of India in the early 1800's, which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It was over two hundred years ago.

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Postby Jedi 999 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:12 am

Collective Systems wrote:
JuNii wrote:when was this day? give me the date please.

I do believe he/she is referring to the British colonization of India in the early 1800's, which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It was over two hundred years ago.

about 60 years they left in 1947
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:12 am

Jedi 999 wrote:Remember what bullshit they used to justify british rule

Did you have a flag?
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