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There should be some form of punishment related to pornography?

Fines for producers only
7
2%
Fines for all people involved in production (even actors)
9
2%
Fines even for the users
3
1%
Criminalization of producers
12
3%
Criminalization for all people involved in production (even actors)
15
4%
Criminalization for all people involved + fines for the users
10
2%
Criminalization even for the users
8
2%
Awareness campaigns only
37
9%
Pornography is free speech
325
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:38 pm

Aodh-Rhionnia wrote:Uh, no. Porn is not some kind of shaddy ring where producers kidnap women at an early age and groom them into actresses against their will. It is almost always a consensual production. Now, are there videos and such where consent is not given? Yes and those are of course disgusting and wrong. But that is not the vast majoroty of the pornography industry.


At least in America, it isn't.

Outside of America there's less regulation, so it must be kept in mind, this.

However, the American pornographic industry is, usually, well above ground to be able to stand on its own legal merits, and there's a lot of precedent behind porn being an expression of speech, so it'd be hard to overturn precedent in this instance as the Supreme Court has also ruled on pornography, giving a victory to sex-positive feminist and a defeat to sex-negative feminists in the U.S.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:39 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:This is mostly about the United States and her own views since, I think, so let me introduce this to the fact that this is a merely American view.

Pornography in the United States has been ruled by the Supreme Court as "free speech", and so despite Dines' efforts, she is likely to fail to have the current body of law overturned against pornography in the United States.

That being said, in other countries where they make highly profitable, and pornography that would otherwise be illegal in the United States, I can see a use for this law. However, due to the nature of the porn industry in the United States, while there needs to be heavier regulation in the industry, it's not a real problem with women being coerced into the industry, at least in America where Dines operates.

I think some people can be and are coerced economically into the industry, which cannot be effectively tackled without tackling the conditions that cause this.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:42 pm

People are coerced economically into the fast food industry. That doesn't mean working in pr0n is more worthy of tackling than flipping burgers.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:46 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:I think some people can be and are coerced economically into the industry, which cannot be effectively tackled without tackling the conditions that cause this.


Define economic coercion first, in so far as to how it applies to the discussion.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:48 pm

If there are underage or involuntary participants, then throw the book at the whole wretched crew.

Otherwise, good luck trying to stomp out sin. The best answer may be to have an enticing distraction, like legalized pot.

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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:53 pm

Hirota wrote:People are coerced economically into the fast food industry. That doesn't mean working in pr0n is more worthy of tackling than flipping burgers.
Glad to see you've joined the fight, comrade.
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:I think some people can be and are coerced economically into the industry, which cannot be effectively tackled without tackling the conditions that cause this.


Define economic coercion first, in so far as to how it applies to the discussion.
People who, due to their own economic circumstances, are forced into the sex industry, in order to make enough money to survive or to support their families.
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Postby Ithreland » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:53 pm

I don't agree with porn on a religious basis, but it's not a feminist issue. Rule 34. There's porn for every gender or non-gender that likes anything and everything. Hell, there's probably porn for aromantic asexuals. Maybe a live feed of grass growing.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:55 pm

Pope Joan wrote:If there are underage or involuntary participants, then throw the book at the whole wretched crew.

Otherwise, good luck trying to stomp out sin. The best answer may be to have an enticing distraction, like legalized pot.

You can remain aroused for a very long time when you do weed, but you are too foggy to do anything about it.

I can see the campaign slogans now:

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:55 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Hirota wrote:People are coerced economically into the fast food industry. That doesn't mean working in pr0n is more worthy of tackling than flipping burgers.
Glad to see you've joined the fight, comrade.
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Define economic coercion first, in so far as to how it applies to the discussion.
People who, due to their own economic circumstances, are forced into the sex industry, in order to make enough money to survive or to support their families.

You could argue that of a lot things
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:57 pm

Ithreland wrote:I don't agree with porn on a religious basis, but it's not a feminist issue. Rule 34. There's porn for every gender or non-gender that likes anything and everything. Hell, there's probably porn for aromantic asexuals. Maybe a live feed of grass growing.


Rule 34 is "if it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions."
Rule 35 is "If no porn is found of it, it will be made."
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:57 pm

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The Grene Knyght wrote: Glad to see you've joined the fight, comrade.
People who, due to their own economic circumstances, are forced into the sex industry, in order to make enough money to survive or to support their families.

You could argue that of a lot things

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:58 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote: People who, due to their own economic circumstances, are forced into the sex industry, in order to make enough money to survive or to support their families.


That's literally every job, ever.

If I look for a job that pays more, I am not doing it because I want to, but because I have to in order to make enough money to survive and support my family and my lifestyle.

Not exactly a good standard, there.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:58 pm

Personally I think we need more prostitution and pornography.

Prostitution should be subsidized by the state for those who are disabled and can't get laid on their own.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:59 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote: People who, due to their own economic circumstances, are forced into the sex industry, in order to make enough money to survive or to support their families.


That's literally every job, ever.

If I look for a job that pays more, I am not doing it because I want to, but because I have to in order to make enough money to survive and support my family and my lifestyle.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:59 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:You could argue that of a lot things

another comrade joins the fight. Welcome.

Wrong kind of international, sorry
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:00 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Personally I think we need more prostitution and pornography.

Prostitution should be subsidized by the state for those who are disabled and can't get laid on their own.

Reminds me of American dad
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:02 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Personally I think we need more prostitution and pornography.

Prostitution should be subsidized by the state for those who are disabled and can't get laid on their own.

Reminds me of American dad

Well I am an american dad, more of the al bundy model though.
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:02 pm

WOman should

Jacky St James, Erica Lustand Angie Rowntree are all successful female producers of 'Erotic Porn for Women' but apparently they should be denied of their freedom to make porn because thats what Feminism is all about - denying women the freedom to choose?

Okay if you say so

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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:02 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:another comrade joins the fight. Welcome.

Wrong kind of international, sorry

Thats where you're wrong. There's only one true international, friend, and its the one that involves nukes and aliens
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:03 pm

Ithreland wrote:I don't agree with porn on a religious basis, but it's not a feminist issue. Rule 34. There's porn for every gender or non-gender that likes anything and everything. Hell, there's probably porn for aromantic asexuals. Maybe a live feed of grass growing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8SvTZgVtg8

Enjoy :p
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Personally I think we need more prostitution and pornography.

Prostitution should be subsidized by the state for those who are disabled and can't get laid on their own.

Thank you Netherlands!

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:05 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Wrong kind of international, sorry

Thats where you're wrong. There's only one true international, friend, and its the one that involves nukes and aliens

Sorry, my boyfriends the communist one, I'm the capitalist one
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:06 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Reminds me of American dad

Well I am an american dad, more of the al bundy model though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HazXpT3TesM&t=165s
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:07 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Personally I think we need more prostitution and pornography.

Prostitution should be subsidized by the state for those who are disabled and can't get laid on their own.

Thank you Netherlands!


It's an interesting issue. As a parent I wonder if I should.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:08 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Thats where you're wrong. There's only one true international, friend, and its the one that involves nukes and aliens

Sorry, my boyfriends the communist one, I'm the capitalist one

And I'm not really a Posadist but hey, no one's perfect
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