Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Then why bother legalizing it in the first place if it is still going to cause an outflow of money from the States? That was one the biggest selling points I heard from people on the matter. Canada border wall soon.

I literally just explained two valid reason to legalize it without banning foreign trade. I'm not saying US farmers can't grow it, just that it's pointless to block importation of it

It's not pointless to block imports. You can also make imports hopelessly useless by putting in place import permits only handed to legitimate foreign companies specialized in drug production (kind of what we already do with international pharmaceutical conglomerates).

[Napkiraly]

It's interesting seeing Americans hope that thousands or tens of thousands of American military personnel are killed and maimed by drug cartel soldiers.

These are the "patriotic" anti-Trump protesters I hear about apparently.

Exactly what is your problem with the idea of armed citizens defending their nation against invaders?

Depends entirely on who is invading, whom is being invaded, and the purposes of the invasion. I am also more emotionally attached to America than Mexico.

[Cymrea]

Then why bother legalizing it in the first place if it is still going to cause an outflow of money from the States? That was one the biggest selling points I heard from people on the matter. Canada border wall soon.

But wouldn't be more awesome to be the drug lords for a change and have Canada and Mexico build the walls to keep us out?

Gun laws don't stop criminals from getting guns, rape laws don't stop white college kids from raping unconscious girls in alleys...a wall won't keep Mexicans out, just cost a fuckton of money that Americans will end up paying for.

[Rio Cana]

Flooding them would be easier

I'm bloodthirsty, not sadistic.

All I want is to ride a gunboat down the Rio with a kevlar pith helmet and force an unequal treaty on Mexico.

Did someone mention "Rio". Check our spoiler at the end of our post. Go to where it says "our military".

[Internationalist Bastard]

I literally just explained two valid reason to legalize it without banning foreign trade. I'm not saying US farmers can't grow it, just that it's pointless to block importation of it

Sure you can. We put restricts on trade items all the time. So do the other countries. Ez pz.

Yes, but then they would still just continue to smuggle it in. Might as well let them pass and let them establish themselves as companies in America

[Thermodolia]

But wouldn't be more awesome to be the drug lords for a change and have Canada and Mexico build the walls to keep us out?

Gun laws don't stop criminals from getting guns, rape laws don't stop white college kids from raping unconscious girls in alleys...a wall won't keep Mexicans out, just cost a fuckton of money that Americans will end up paying for.

You might want to re-read that.

[The East Marches]

Sure you can. We put restricts on trade items all the time. So do the other countries. Ez pz.

Yes, but then they would still just continue to smuggle it in. Might as well let them pass and let them establish themselves as companies in America

Thats why you have border controls. It creates added costs to production process from smuggling allowing a domestic industry which that can compete legally would drive them out of business.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I literally just explained two valid reason to legalize it without banning foreign trade. I'm not saying US farmers can't grow it, just that it's pointless to block importation of it

It's not pointless to block imports. You can also make imports hopelessly useless by putting in place import permits only handed to legitimate foreign companies specialized in drug production (kind of what we already do with international pharmaceutical conglomerates).

Yes but these aren't proper trade channels. They're cartels who already smuggle shit across the border

[Tekeristan]

The point to legalizing it is to a. Make drug cartels less profitable and violent and b. to make it easier to help addicts.

Then why bother legalizing it in the first place if it is still going to cause an outflow of money from the States? That was one the biggest selling points I heard from people on the matter. Canada border wall soon.

We must ban our citizens from touring the world!
*Slippery slope, but the idea is the same - 'outflow'*

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's not pointless to block imports. You can also make imports hopelessly useless by putting in place import permits only handed to legitimate foreign companies specialized in drug production (kind of what we already do with international pharmaceutical conglomerates).

Yes but these aren't proper trade channels. They're cartels who already smuggle shit across the border

Then that's why you need better border defense. Without having Mexico pay for our shit of course (which isn't really happening by the way).

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yes, but then they would still just continue to smuggle it in. Might as well let them pass and let them establish themselves as companies in America

Thats why you have border controls. It creates added costs to production process from smuggling allowing a domestic industry which that can compete legally would drive them out of business.

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

[The East Marches]

Then why bother legalizing it in the first place if it is still going to cause an outflow of money from the States? That was one the biggest selling points I heard from people on the matter. Canada border wall soon.

We must ban our citizens from touring the world!
*Slippery slope, but the idea is the same - 'outflow'*

Currency outflows from failures in trade which could be avoided if we have the edge in efficiency (which we do in farming), should be avoided. Losing money needlessly is retarded.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, but then they would still just continue to smuggle it in. Might as well let them pass and let them establish themselves as companies in America

Thats why you have border controls. It creates added costs to production process from smuggling allowing a domestic industry which that can compete legally would drive them out of business.

I mean, ideally your hope with border controls and border patrol is not to stop illegal immigration and smuggling completely. This, of course, is the pipe dream of radicals, to stop one thing entirely.

Ideally, your hope should be that the cost of crossing a border become greater than the reward, and this discourages people from doing so.

[The East Marches]

Thats why you have border controls. It creates added costs to production process from smuggling allowing a domestic industry which that can compete legally would drive them out of business.

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

I'm not border control but I did like their electronic system they were thinking about doing before all this wall non-sense. Systems that have layers work best. It is artificial subsidization of an industry to get it on its feet but the end result will be one more worthwhile and profitable.

[Gauthier]

Thats why you have border controls. It creates added costs to production process from smuggling allowing a domestic industry which that can compete legally would drive them out of business.

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

Deploy a naval group around the coasts obviously. *nod*

[Thermodolia]

Yes but these aren't proper trade channels. They're cartels who already smuggle shit across the border

Then that's why you need better border defense. Without having Mexico pay for our shit of course (which isn't really happening by the way).

Well Mexico might pay for and build the wall by itself if we start smuggling drugs into Mexico. I call it operation payback

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Thats why you have border controls. It creates added costs to production process from smuggling allowing a domestic industry which that can compete legally would drive them out of business.

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

Better, more stringent checks on shipments?

[Internationalist Bastard]

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

I'm not border control but I did like their electronic system they were thinking about doing before all this wall non-sense. Systems that have layers work best. It is artificial subsidization of an industry to get it on its feet but the end result will be one more worthwhile and profitable.

Which does what exactly?

[The East Marches]

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

Deploy a naval group around the coasts obviously. *nod*

With a defeatist position and refusing to fight obviously *nod*

[Thermodolia]

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

Deploy a naval group around the coasts obviously. *nod*

Nah you need to build an actual sea wall

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The point to legalizing it is to a. Make drug cartels less profitable and violent and b. to make it easier to help addicts.

Then why bother legalizing it in the first place if it is still going to cause an outflow of money from the States? That was one the biggest selling points I heard from people on the matter. Canada border wall soon.

Do you know what this is?

This is the peace arch, commemorating the signing of the Treaty of Ghent in 1814. It's gates have never been closed for over 200 years.

The inscription on the US side of the Peace Arch reads "Children of a common mother", and the words on the Canadian side read "Brethren dwelling together in unity".

And we have worked together. We have fought the Nazis together. We played together. We love you, and for the past 200 years, you have loved us.

Why shut us off now? We still love you.

Why close the gates?

[The East Marches]

I'm not border control but I did like their electronic system they were thinking about doing before all this wall non-sense. Systems that have layers work best. It is artificial subsidization of an industry to get it on its feet but the end result will be one more worthwhile and profitable.

Which does what exactly?

Increases costs. Your goal to make smuggling have added costs which give domestic industry starting up an advantage as they have lower overall costs. Its basic business stuff.

[Internationalist Bastard]

And how do intend to stop boats and planes, already a popular smuggling method, therefore, probably not one that fucks with costs too much

Better, more stringent checks on shipments?

How do you check the shipments on a crappy little private plane that flew from Nicaragua and landed in the middle of nowhere.

[Ifreann]

Exactly what is your problem with the idea of armed citizens defending their nation against invaders?

Depends entirely on who is invading,

America.

whom is being invaded,

Mexico.

and the purposes of the invasion.

Massaging Trump's ego.

I am also more emotionally attached to America than Mexico.

And therefore Mexicans shouldn't resist an invading American army? Shouldn't defend their lives and property?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Which does what exactly?

Increases costs. Your goal to make smuggling have added costs which give domestic industry starting up an advantage as they have lower overall costs. Its basic business stuff.

No what does the system do