[Europe] Lorry rams into Berlin market

[Crnobrnje]

Liberals: Should we close the border already?

*9/11*

Native peoples: Yes

*Lindt Cafe Siege*

Native peoples: Yes

*Belgium terror attacks*

Native peoples: Yes

*Bataclan Massacre*

Native people: Yes

*Berlin incident*

Native peoples: Yes

Liberals: *Shoves head up ass* I just...Don't.. Know...

So how will shutting the border stop natives committing terrorist attacks?

It wont, however, it will still decrease the amount of terrorist attacks.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

"Good enough" doesn't mean that it's actually good. Given that you're going to an English university, however, it's excusable given you're being taught something through the lens of your own culture.
I can tell you, however, that the notion of "Dark Age" is one totally absent from the field of History in continental Europe (with the closest thing in France and Germany being the Era of the territorial Princes that followed the end of the Carolingian Empire or in Italy the period that saw the creation of new city-states [whose name I once knew but can't presently remember] ) but still mocked nonetheless by Historians.

So, once more, try again.

...Do you have an argument that doesn't boil down to "you used a semantic term I don't agree with" here?

If you didn't know, semantics are important.

[Minzerland II]

This is a misconception that needs to die.

Then explain the Dark Age and why this isn't the case.
Western medicine was trash until basically 1800 because miasma and bloodletting was still popular.

The Dark Ages had hardly anything to do with technological depravity, rather with the loss of knowledge after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, which the Muslim World, may I remind you, lost too; the Muslim World wasn't, at least greatly, more advanced than Europe in many things besides medicine, mathematics and science: Europe wasn't a backwater by any means.

I'll admit that the Muslim World was more advanced in medicine than Europe, however, they took and integrated much from the West and Eastern Roman Empires, and Greeks. The Muslim World was equal in almost all.

[Vassenor]

So how will shutting the border stop natives committing terrorist attacks?

It wont, however, it will still decrease the amount of terrorist attacks.

And how will it do that? Consider that just about every terrorist incident in the last two decades was the result of a native-born person radicalised in-country.

[Aelex]

...Do you have an argument that doesn't boil down to "you used a semantic term I don't agree with" here?

The term Dark Age is loaded with implication and I.R tried to play with them to imply that Europe was a cultural and technological backwater during Middle Age.
Given that everyone who studied just a little history know that what he tried to imply is total and utter bullshit, I still had to point out that the very term he used is as shitty and false as the "point" he tried to make.

[New Moresby]

Liberals: Should we close the border already?

*9/11*

Native peoples: Yes

*Lindt Cafe Siege*

Native peoples: Yes

*Belgium terror attacks*

Native peoples: Yes

*Bataclan Massacre*

Native people: Yes

*Berlin incident*

Native peoples: Yes

Liberals: *Shoves head up ass* I just...Don't.. Know...

So how will shutting the border stop natives committing terrorist attacks?

Theyre not European and will never be.

If we never let them in the first place it wouldn't of happened it's only going to get worse.

And then it'll get better

[Vassenor]

So how will shutting the border stop natives committing terrorist attacks?

Theyre not European and will never be.

If we never let them in the first place it wouldn't of happened it's only going to get worse.

And then it'll get better

So how does shutting the border stop people born in-country from being radicalised then?

[Crnobrnje]

It wont, however, it will still decrease the amount of terrorist attacks.

And how will it do that? Consider that just about every terrorist incident in the last two decades was the result of a native-born person radicalised in-country.

Foreign terror attacks aren't a thing anymore?

[Vassenor]

And how will it do that? Consider that just about every terrorist incident in the last two decades was the result of a native-born person radicalised in-country.

Foreign terror attacks aren't a thing anymore?

Can you give examples?

[Crnobrnje]

Foreign terror attacks aren't a thing anymore?

Can you give examples?

9/11.

[Keksville]

You know as much as these guys love to use the "Religion of Peace" meme. Iv'e yet to actually see a politician or liberal use that term. maybe it's because I live in the United States I don't know.

That's where it's from. George W. Bush said it after 9/11 and it's been memed since.

[Vassenor]

Can you give examples?

9/11.

Which I counter with 7/7, carried out by native-born Britons, the 2015 Paris attacks carried out largely by French and Belgian natives and the 2016 Brussels bombings carried out largely by native-born Belgians.

So yes, tell me how shutting the border would have stopped any of these.

[Shetl]

Until they find the person who did this, I'm considering this attack part of the Russian hybrid warfare campaign.

[Vassenor]

Also how would closing the border stop groups like ETA or the IRA doing their thing?

[Aelex]

Which I counter with 7/7, carried out by native-born Britons, the 2015 Paris attacks carried out largely by French and Belgian natives and the 2016 Brussels bombings carried out largely by native-born Belgians.

So yes, tell me how shutting the border would have stopped any of these.

As we told you already, it would have stopped them from coming back from their Djihad.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

9/11.

Which I counter with 7/7, carried out by native-born Britons, the 2015 Paris attacks carried out largely by French and Belgian natives and the 2016 Brussels bombings carried out largely by native-born Belgians.

So yes, tell me how shutting the border would have stopped any of these.

It won't, but it will stop incidents of which a non-native terrorist is the offender.

[Vassenor]

Which I counter with 7/7, carried out by native-born Britons, the 2015 Paris attacks carried out largely by French and Belgian natives and the 2016 Brussels bombings carried out largely by native-born Belgians.

So yes, tell me how shutting the border would have stopped any of these.

As we told you already, it would have stopped them from coming back from their Djihad.

The London bombers never left the country. Try again.

[Vassenor]

Which I counter with 7/7, carried out by native-born Britons, the 2015 Paris attacks carried out largely by French and Belgian natives and the 2016 Brussels bombings carried out largely by native-born Belgians.

So yes, tell me how shutting the border would have stopped any of these.

It won't, but it will stop incidents of which a non-native terrorist is the offender.

So basically none of the major incidents from the last fifteen years then.

[Crnobrnje]

9/11.

Which I counter with 7/7, carried out by native-born Britons, the 2015 Paris attacks carried out largely by French and Belgian natives and the 2016 Brussels bombings carried out largely by native-born Belgians.

So yes, tell me how shutting the border would have stopped any of these.

Britons are foreigners in America.

[Vassenor]

Which I counter with 7/7, carried out by native-born Britons, the 2015 Paris attacks carried out largely by French and Belgian natives and the 2016 Brussels bombings carried out largely by native-born Belgians.

So yes, tell me how shutting the border would have stopped any of these.

Britons are foreigners in America.

London is in America?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

It won't, but it will stop incidents of which a non-native terrorist is the offender.

So basically none of the major incidents from the last fifteen years then.

Perhaps I should reference Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel born 3rd of January 1985
M'saken, Sousse Governorate, Tunisia. He was the offender of the 2016 Nice truck attack resulting in the deaths of 86 people and injuring 434. I do think this was a rather large incident, was it not? This attack was announced to be a terror attack by a number of officials.

[Vassenor]

So basically none of the major incidents from the last fifteen years then.

Perhaps I should reference Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel born 3rd of January 1985
M'saken, Sousse Governorate, Tunisia. He was the offender of the 2016 Nice truck attack resulting in the deaths of 86 people and injuring 434. I do think this was a rather large incident, was it not?

So we're up to two then.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Perhaps I should reference Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel born 3rd of January 1985
M'saken, Sousse Governorate, Tunisia. He was the offender of the 2016 Nice truck attack resulting in the deaths of 86 people and injuring 434. I do think this was a rather large incident, was it not?

So we're up to two then.

Your point being?

[Vassenor]

So we're up to two then.

Your point being?

That shutting the borders isn't the panacea people seem to think it is.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Your point being?

That shutting the borders isn't the panacea people seem to think it is.

It never will be, but it proves that significant terror attacks could have been avoided if the borders have been closed. (Not something that I completely support)