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You're guaranteed a two term presidency, what do you do?

Postby The United States of the South Pole » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:47 pm

Alright, so you somehow find yourself to be the president of your real life country, right. What would you plan to do in the first two terms? You aren't guaranteed to be popular or have an easy time get them all done, but just enough people will support and work for you to get it passed each time.
1st Term
-Middle Eastern Withdrawal and Isolationist foreign policy.
-Tax negotiation of our global military bases in 1st world countries
-Protectionism
-Socializing Trade School
-Socializing private prisons and abolishing prison labour
-Infrastructure spending
-Tax Reform for what I call the "Local Rich", Decrease for them, increase for the legitimately wealthy.
-Enact a forced spending law so the rich are forced to spend a certain amount of cash to expand their businesses, place restrictions on owner's equity.
-decentralizing the central bank
-abolishing the federal reserve
-Much stronger Illegal Immigration enforcement
-Environmentalism
-Repeal the Patriot Act
-Lower Taxes on Corporations, remove loopholes
Obviously I'm mostly going for a buisness approach here. Really only touching upon Surveillance, Illegal Americans, and Foreign Policy for the social aspects. I'll probably get the nationalist, rural democrat , and republican vote but I'm skeptical whether Socialists would be willing to put up with such harsh immigration laws and abolishing the federal reserve for Decentralizing the banks, environmentalism, War Withdrawal, and a more worker focused buisness approach.
2nd Term
-Electoral Reform favoring third parties and independents, national IDS, and limited and public campaign finances.
-Gun right reaffirmation and introduce a national stand your ground act
-affirmative action repeal
-Charter school expansion in rural and urban communities
-raising teacher salaries
-Abolish the department of education and leave it to the states.
-abolishment of most forms of welfare
-unconditional basic income
-Reform on Federal Union laws favoring right to work yet also union formation in businesses deemed necessary by the government.
-Deregulation on the bureaucracy of business start up
-Alternative Energy Spending
-End Police Quotas
-Government sponsored maternity leave
-Congressional Term limits and tie Politician's salaries with the average american's salary
-legalize secession
-federal balanced budget act.
-Legalize Hate Speech, Obscenity, and threats of violence. Leave Slander up to the states.
This one mostly focuses on spending on social and spending issues. This is where I image I'd have a much bigger problem with than my buisness pursuits. I'd probably be worse at balancing the budget on than most presidents or even the person on the street. I may get the Urban vote with some of these policies, but not likely. I'll definetly get the regular democrat's vote this time but socialists may have to begrudgingly vote for me again if just for the Electoral reform. Libertarians would hate me throughout, but may like me some of my social policies.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:50 pm

Wait, so no matter what, I can get whatever I want passed?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:51 pm

LOL!!! if I got into presidency I could tell you exactly what I would do in just one phrase


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Postby KingFerdinand1 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:53 pm

I Would Change Taxes To A Flat 20% On Everything. I Would Double The Military Budget, And Promise To Triple Our Number Of Battleships And Stealth Bombers By 2025. I Would Destroy ISIS By Any Means Necessary. I Would Give Ukraine Weapons And Nuclear Bombs To Recapture Crimea. I Would Tell North Korea To Abandon There Dictatorship Or Be Invaded. I Would Rebuild The American Economy. I Would Increase The Number Of Our Troops Overseas. I Would Invade China And End Communism Once And For All.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:53 pm

Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:LOL!!! if I got into presidency I could tell you exactly what I would do in just one phrase




Make memetic images all day? :p

KingFerdinand1 wrote:I Would Change Taxes To A Flat 20% On Everything. I Would Double The Military Budget, And Promise To Triple Our Number Of Battleships And Stealth Bombers By 2025. I Would Destroy ISIS By Any Means Necessary. I Would Give Ukraine Weapons And Nuclear Bombs To Recapture Crimea. I Would Tell North Korea To Abandon There Dictatorship Or Be Invaded. I Would Rebuild The American Economy. I Would Increase The Number Of Our Troops Overseas. I Would Invade China And End Communism Once And For All.


You would be assassinated by the CIA within 24 hours.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:57 pm

KingFerdinand1 wrote:I Would Change Taxes To A Flat 20% On Everything. I Would Double The Military Budget, And Promise To Triple Our Number Of Battleships And Stealth Bombers By 2025. I Would Destroy ISIS By Any Means Necessary. I Would Give Ukraine Weapons And Nuclear Bombs To Recapture Crimea. I Would Tell North Korea To Abandon There Dictatorship Or Be Invaded. I Would Rebuild The American Economy. I Would Increase The Number Of Our Troops Overseas. I Would Invade China And End Communism Once And For All.


lol, thank god we don't let any random on the internet dominate political policy.

Also, don't capitalize every word in your sentence. It's fucking awful when people do that.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:00 pm

KingFerdinand1 wrote:I Would Change Taxes To A Flat 20% On Everything. I Would Double The Military Budget, And Promise To Triple Our Number Of Battleships And Stealth Bombers By 2025. I Would Destroy ISIS By Any Means Necessary. I Would Give Ukraine Weapons And Nuclear Bombs To Recapture Crimea. I Would Tell North Korea To Abandon There Dictatorship Or Be Invaded. I Would Rebuild The American Economy. I Would Increase The Number Of Our Troops Overseas. I Would Invade China And End Communism Once And For All.


If you cut the tax rate, how are you going to pay for your military adventurism?
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Postby Uinted Communist of Africa » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:01 pm

and Bernie would be the assassin

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[_★_] copy and paste. Join the revolution!!!! Stats are for the mentally advanced...change my mind.
( -_- ) My nation does support my political views...deal with it.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:03 pm

I would Integrate NASA with the Air force in order to siphon off expertise and their budget, as well as give them the appropriate attitude. I want Military Infrastructure on the moon and a gateway to mars by 2020. And I want the USA to be the sole master of our solar system by 2024.
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Postby The Great Devourer of All » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:03 pm

Raise taxes, replace the Electoral College with a popular vote-based system, introduce socially liberal reforms everywhere, stuff like that.
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Postby Ezkantion » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:05 pm

Nuke the world. It's time for a reboot.

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Postby New Piscea » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:06 pm

-Close the Border with canada
-Ban religious schools
-Embargo Saudi-arabia , and Canada
-Improve ties with Russia , Iran , China , and South Korea .
-Have vile rapists like Amy Shumer Deported to Canada
-Send all criminals and terorists to Canada
-Improve relationships with Mexico and the EU
-improve the infrastructure
-Invest in Enviromentalism and renewable sources of energy
-Give tax breaks based on what percentage companies recycle
-Send all trash that cant be recycled to Canada .
-Lower the cost of schooling by putting caps on tuition costs
-Increase the minimum wage
-Universal health care
-Declare Canada a rogue state
-Try to establish peace in the middle east
-Convince Russia and the Ukraine to join the EU
-Encourge secularism in the middle east

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:08 pm

Give independence to all states and territories. Once that is done, I resign and return to my hometown in Saskatoon, and use the expertise to expand Canada's influence into the USA.
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Postby Novsvacro » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:10 pm

Increase clean energy subsidies, institute a national amnesty for undocumented immigrants, increase our intake of refugees, reiterate our commitment to help our allies in NATO and the Pacific, hopefully pass an amendment abolishing the EC, pack the supreme court with conservative judges, continue the airstrike campaign against ISIL, tighten sanctions on Russia. Oh, and subsidize religious schools.

Other stuff, but that's what I can think of off the dome.
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Postby Novsvacro » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:14 pm

KingFerdinand1 wrote:I Would Change Taxes To A Flat 20% On Everything. I Would Double The Military Budget, And Promise To Triple Our Number Of Battleships And Stealth Bombers By 2025. I Would Destroy ISIS By Any Means Necessary. I Would Give Ukraine Weapons And Nuclear Bombs To Recapture Crimea. I Would Tell North Korea To Abandon There Dictatorship Or Be Invaded. I Would Rebuild The American Economy. I Would Increase The Number Of Our Troops Overseas. I Would Invade China And End Communism Once And For All.

And I thought liberal idealism was bad.
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:20 pm

Foreign policy
Cut military spending in half, cut foreign ties to Israel and begin supporting the Palestinian state, withdraw from NAFTA, withdraw from NATO, withdraw from the UN, decrease foreign aid spending with nations that are openly against us, raise tariffs on products coming into the United States, create an open border policy with South and Central American nations who have citizens in third world conditions, and streamline the citizenship process for all foreign nationals.

Domestic
Raise taxes on the top .1% to 65% and bring capital gains taxes to the same level. Raise corporate taxes to 35%, small and medium sized businesses would get a tax cut in the form of a monetary incentive to hire the long term unemployed and new immigrants. Universal healthcare as a right. 4 years of public college tuition free. Minimum wage raised to $15 an hour with yearly adjustments for cost of living with the inclusion of a $1,000 a month guaranteed basic income. Eliminate subsidies for oil and coal companies but move that funding and give tax cuts to green energy companies to put us on a path to 100% green energy by 2050.


At this point, as a progressive/socialist who wants to see America move to the left, we need to accept that we cannot focus on social issues that much. Those don't resonate with everyone like economic and foreign policy does. I am all for equality for LGBTQIA+ people and other minorities, but we also need to remember, that type of stuff is much easier to do once you are in power. Win elections on economics then bring social stuff up as President and Governor. That is just my opinion.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:23 pm

Abolish term limits, abolish elections
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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:25 pm

Seeing as being a President somehow magically makes me some sort of supreme dictator I'd turn the US into a federation of anarchist communes and then resign. More realistically, though, I'd pardon quite a large number of people (all nonviolent drug offenders in US prisons, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, etc.), pack the NLRB with labor organizers and tell them to basically not enforce Taft-Hartley, cancel the TPP and TTIP (trade agreements should be tariff reduction agreements, not new rounds of neoliberalism), declassify materials over, say, 25 years old (it's not really goingto appoint only the most left-wing Supreme Court justices, and above all focus on winning the House and the Senate, which would be necessary to accomplish various goals. Those are the main things I can think of at the moment; considering the legislative composition of the House and Senate there's not all that much I could accomplish.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:26 pm

With how it works in Poland, I'd simply be limited to signing laws I do agree with and denying those that I don't agree with.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:32 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:You would be assassinated by the CIA within 24 hours.


How fast would I be assassinated?

I begin with social issues like legalizing abortion, recreational marijuana, and prostitution. From there, I declare the US a people's republic, I abolish capitalism and place the means of production under the control of worker unions, with it slowly transitioning over to worker control. I replace the upper echelons of the military with loyal cronies (and have the military no longer pledge loyalty to the US but to the tenants of a stateless and classless society), I stop the government surveillance programs, and I form a new amendment to the constitution stating that a new coalition of multiple parties will rule with the consent of the governed, and that only parties within said coalition can send their members up for election. A set of additional rights including the freedom of thought, freedom to medicine, education, and that the working class shall be entitled to the social forces of labour and industry except in times of war. I would also completely abolish the draft.

I discontinue anti-Communist propaganda in schools, start putting out anti-Capitalist propaganda (I also completely remove any reference to Creationism and only start to teach Evolution in school, and also put more emphasis on learning foreign language). I would ramp up on sexual education, and work to make sure college was free or heavily subsidized.

Foreign-policy wise, I would start a program of funding far-leftist Communist groups across the world. Countries that are currently fully occupied by the US I would think of trying to replace their current regime with a more ideologically similar one. I would use the US's massive economic superiority to single out and pressure various countries in Europe, South America, and Asia to further the US's interests. I would form an organization similar to that of the Second International, an organization that can properly coordinate and work to achieve far-leftists goals. I ultimately would use the massive military and economic might of the US to outwardly spread the Revolution, though probably not through direct invasion.
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Greater Germanian Empire » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:33 pm

Nazi super science, fascism everywhere, police checkpoints outside of schools, camps for those who don't agree with my policies, greater transportation methods for those without vehicles, encouragement of improvements to healthcare, government food collection programs for those who can't afford to feed themselves, imperial splendor, encouragement of alternate medical practices for those who can't afford normal healthcare, a secret police to weed out the socialists, and the communists and finally affordable housing.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:33 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:You would be assassinated by the CIA within 24 hours.


How fast would I be assassinated?

I begin with social issues like legalizing abortion, recreational marijuana, and prostitution. From there, I declare the US a people's republic, I abolish capitalism and place the means of production under the control of worker unions, with it slowly transitioning over to worker control. I replace the upper echelons of the military with loyal cronies (and have the military no longer pledge loyalty to the US but to the tenants of a stateless and classless society), I stop the government surveillance programs, and I form a new amendment to the constitution stating that a new coalition of multiple parties will rule with the consent of the governed, and that only parties within said coalition can send their members up for election. A set of additional rights including the freedom of thought, freedom to medicine, education, and that the working class shall be entitled to the social forces of labour and industry except in times of war. I would also completely abolish the draft.

I discontinue anti-Communist propaganda in schools, start putting out anti-Capitalist propaganda (I also completely remove any reference to Creationism and only start to teach Evolution in school, and also put more emphasis on learning foreign language). I would ramp up on sexual education, and work to make sure college was free or heavily subsidized.

Foreign-policy wise, I would start a program of funding far-leftist Communist groups across the world. Countries that are currently fully occupied by the US I would think of trying to replace their current regime with a more ideologically similar one. I would use the US's massive economic superiority to single out and pressure various countries in Europe, South America, and Asia to further the US's interests. I would form an organization similar to that of the Second International, an organization that can properly coordinate and work to achieve far-leftists goals. I ultimately would use the massive military and economic might of the US to outwardly spread the Revolution, though probably not through direct invasion.

5 seconds, and it wouldn't be baseless.
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Postby Greater Aterria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:35 pm

The Great Devourer of All wrote:Raise taxes, replace the Electoral College with a popular vote-based system, introduce socially liberal reforms everywhere, stuff like that.

^^^

This. Also, free healthcare. Blah blah blah. So on. Left leaning reforms for everybody!
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:37 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:38 pm

1st term
legalize marijuana nationwide
restore the voting rights act and make voting easier and Require all states to use a paper ballot for elections
make gerrymandering illegal and set up either a national board to draw district lines or require every state do it via independent commission
add LGBT protections to the civil rights act
invest in infrastructure and high speed rail.
Make it a priority to return to the moon and possibly go to Mars the end of my second term.
invest in renewable energy and get rid of nuclear weapon stockpile
Strengthen the Paris Climate Accord
Raise the minimum wage to a living wage
Make sure my party adopts a 50 state strategy for elections
clean house at FBI and eliminate the partisanship
outlaw conversion therapy

2nd term
pass immigration reform
end the tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas
end three strikes laws and allow felons to vote
cut military spending and use it domestically
Eliminate the Electoral College
repeal the Patriot Act
End the War on drugs
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