Indeed.
Ming had been the last true Chinese dynasty.
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by Chessmistress » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:25 pm
by Cetacea » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:40 pm
Bears Armed wrote:As its current government is a legal successor to the Kuomintang government there, and the Kuomintang government was formerly the government for ALL of China, technically it's the PRC that consists of [a collection of] "rebel provinces".Union of Despotistan wrote:I think Taiwan should only be recognized as a rebel province of China.
by Salandriagado » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:01 pm
by Crockerland » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:11 pm
Salandriagado wrote:The people of Taiwan have no desire to be ruled from Beijing. That is the only thing that needs be considered here.
by Chessmistress » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:18 pm
by Kubra » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:09 pm
aw sashimi pairs best with asahi anywaysChessmistress wrote:If China would take over Taiwan it's even likely that they would change the formula of Taiwan Beer, and so I couldn't have the proper drink while eating sashimi.
I have to side with Taiwan, then, due personal interests.
by Chessmistress » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:14 pm
by Kubra » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:21 pm
Taiwan beer has a bit of sweetness to it. For sushi and sashimi I prefer as dry a beer as possible.Chessmistress wrote:Kubra wrote: aw sashimi pairs best with asahi anyways
Have you ever tasted Taiwan Beer?
It's widely regarded as the most appropriate with sashimi, sushi, california rolls, and so on, for a reason: it's flavoured with glutinous rice, and that's why its taste it's the perfect complement to dishes using glutinous rice.
by Salandriagado » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:29 pm
by Tuthina » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:11 pm
14:54:02 <Lykens> Explain your definition of Reno.
11:47 <Swilatia> Good god, copy+paste is no way to build a country!
03:08 <Democratic Koyro> NSG senate is a glaring example of why no one in NSG should ever have a position of authority
by Cetacea » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:18 pm
by Tuthina » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:22 pm
Cetacea wrote:Tuthina wrote:It is not uncommon to exaggerate in order to make a point, the point here probably being that just because the people want independent does not mean they should have it.
except that the ISIS analogy has absolutely no parallel to Taiwan. Taiwan isn't a terrorist enclave occupying bits of another country and well if people can support Saudi Arabia and a whole slew of other shit oppressive nations than why not a new State in the Levant?
14:54:02 <Lykens> Explain your definition of Reno.
11:47 <Swilatia> Good god, copy+paste is no way to build a country!
03:08 <Democratic Koyro> NSG senate is a glaring example of why no one in NSG should ever have a position of authority
by The Southern Dictators » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:41 pm
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Volnotova wrote:Oh ffs, if there is one thing I can't stand it is this plethora of weeping and depressed people in this thread that will not hesitate to use every opportunity available to exlcaim how something like this made them lose (all) faith in humanity(including themselves).
:palm: x 3
by Rio Cana » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:17 pm
by Ponoxien » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:25 pm
by Tuthina » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:36 pm
Ponoxien wrote:There is only one China. The PRC and the ROC are part of that one China.
14:54:02 <Lykens> Explain your definition of Reno.
11:47 <Swilatia> Good god, copy+paste is no way to build a country!
03:08 <Democratic Koyro> NSG senate is a glaring example of why no one in NSG should ever have a position of authority
by Crockerland » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:32 pm
Cetacea wrote:Tuthina wrote:It is not uncommon to exaggerate in order to make a point, the point here probably being that just because the people want independent does not mean they should have it.
except that the ISIS analogy has absolutely no parallel to Taiwan. Taiwan isn't a terrorist enclave occupying bits of another country and well if people can support Saudi Arabia and a whole slew of other shit oppressive nations than why not a new State in the Levant?
by Cetacea » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:22 pm
Crockerland wrote:Genivaria wrote:What the actual fuck?Cetacea wrote:
except that the ISIS analogy has absolutely no parallel to Taiwan. Taiwan isn't a terrorist enclave occupying bits of another country and well if people can support Saudi Arabia and a whole slew of other shit oppressive nations than why not a new State in the Levant?
Maybe you should actually read the conversation before trying to add to it. Salandriagado claimed that the only thing that needed to be considered was the will of the majority of people in Taiwan, so Taiwan not being a terrorist enclave occupying bits of another country would, according to Salandriagado, be irrelevant, hence the whole point of my post.
Obviously Taiwan is in no way equivalent to ISIS, that's the entire point of the question, because they are nothing alike, and Salandriagado's method for determining a state's right to secede grants benign democracies like Taiwan and the the control zones of terrorist organizations like the Islamic State, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, etc. the same right to independence; Salandriagado even confirmed that he would support ISIS independence if the majority of IS residents supported it.Salandriagado wrote:
Yup.
by Lhagatse » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:30 pm
by Tuthina » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:37 am
Lhagatse wrote:Crockerland wrote:So if the majority of the people in the Islamic State's control zone support ISIS, you'll be in favor of ISIS independence from Syria and Iraq?
Irrelevant because they don't and won't precisely due to the same atrocities for which we condemn ISIS and regard it as a moral anathema. Also, ISIS doesn't have its own national identity, half a century of de-facto independence, or a functional administration.
EDIT: Free Taiwan, and no "China" please.
14:54:02 <Lykens> Explain your definition of Reno.
11:47 <Swilatia> Good god, copy+paste is no way to build a country!
03:08 <Democratic Koyro> NSG senate is a glaring example of why no one in NSG should ever have a position of authority
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