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Postby FORMER HATOOTELAND » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:30 am

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Oh, that was quite a long time ago.
I earned the degree when I was pregnant, at the last stages: I gave birth less than a month after I earned the degree.
I got the top rating, among other things...


A degree in what?


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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:37 am

FORMER HATOOTELAND wrote:
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A degree in what?


gender studiesXD

Chess literally just said that wasnt it. On the other hand...
Totally a degree in Fine Arts. Still a worthless degree, and it also has precedent in alt-right art students getting into politics.
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Postby Post War America » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:09 am

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I was using a nonpartisan dictionary definition of sexisum, and politely conceded my point that it is indeed possible to be sexist against men. I originally though that the dictionary definition was not inclusive of that. In short I am recognizing that I made an honest mistake in my definition and am conceding the point like a gentleman.

You made the mistake of thinking that men can't be raped too?

Seriously?


That's a nice reductio ad absurdum you got there.

No I did not say in the least that men cannot be raped. I know full well that they can (with at least some evidence pointing to roughly equal amounts). I was pointing out (I now admit wrongfully) that sexism (not gender discrimination but the specific term sexism) implied entrenched power structures.
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Postby Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 am

Post War America wrote:
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:You made the mistake of thinking that men can't be raped too?

Seriously?


That's a nice reductio ad absurdum you got there.

No I did not say in the least that men cannot be raped. I know full well that they can (with at least some evidence pointing to roughly equal amounts). I was pointing out (I now admit wrongfully) that sexism (not gender discrimination but the specific term sexism) implied entrenched power structures.

Hm.. I seem to have misunderstood.
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Postby Post War America » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:37 am

Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:
Post War America wrote:
That's a nice reductio ad absurdum you got there.

No I did not say in the least that men cannot be raped. I know full well that they can (with at least some evidence pointing to roughly equal amounts). I was pointing out (I now admit wrongfully) that sexism (not gender discrimination but the specific term sexism) implied entrenched power structures.

Hm.. I seem to have misunderstood.


I apologize if I failed to be clear in my exact assertion. But yes, that is ultimately what I was trying to say.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:55 am

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Free Missouri wrote:Unreasonable because if, for example, someone has an almost full schedule and the one hour they have free just so happens to be "women hour."

ALSO,



For the LOVE OF GOD, THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE FUCKING SAYS THIS TO ME IN REAL LIFE I AM GOING TO PUNCH THEM IN THEIR FACE AND THEY DESERVE IT. people need to stop believing this Anita Sarkeesian shit.

Half of all domestic violence victims are male, no shelters are set aside for them, also women are more likely to commit nonreciprocal violence. Also, whenever the violence is reciprocal in a heterosexual issue, it is usually the man who is arrested, not the initiator (the woman), not both, but only the man.

Is that not sexism?

Don't even get me started on the various extremely sexist legal definitions of rape (which do not include made-to-penetrate). Suicides: overwhelmingly male.

Don't even fucking get me started about the disadvantages of men in family court etc. etc. etc.


Firstly, I would advise against threatening violence against real people. While I might be okay with your opener, others might not be and I do believe it is technically a rules violation. I'm not arguing the points you made. While I would challenge you to find a source for all of the not common knowledge claims you made, Gallo has put up all of this information already, and it was particularly surprising. I know all of those are a thing, in fact I use those as a prime example of how patriarchy hurts men, because the issues you brought up come from the same exact viewpoints that were used to keep women down historically.

This by the way covers most state's legal definition of rape, and while it acknowledges that historically it was sex driven, by the early 2000s there were no "sexist" definitions of rape.


The UK would like a word.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:02 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Firstly, I would advise against threatening violence against real people. While I might be okay with your opener, others might not be and I do believe it is technically a rules violation. I'm not arguing the points you made. While I would challenge you to find a source for all of the not common knowledge claims you made, Gallo has put up all of this information already, and it was particularly surprising. I know all of those are a thing, in fact I use those as a prime example of how patriarchy hurts men, because the issues you brought up come from the same exact viewpoints that were used to keep women down historically.

This by the way covers most state's legal definition of rape, and while it acknowledges that historically it was sex driven, by the early 2000s there were no "sexist" definitions of rape.


The UK would like a word.

It's not even true in the US. The cat tribes did a workup some years ago and there's about a dozen states where penetrating someone is rape or sexual assault in the first degree (some states do not have a "rape" statute per se), but being made to penetrate with a penis on not rape or sexual assault in the first degree, being relegated to sexual assault in the second or third degrees.
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Postby Chessmistress » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:05 am

The Forsworn Knights wrote:
FORMER HATOOTELAND wrote:
gender studiesXD

Chess literally just said that wasnt it. On the other hand...
Totally a degree in Fine Arts. Still a worthless degree, and it also has precedent in alt-right art students getting into politics.


Fine Arts?
Not exactly.
This is, more or less, the American equivalent of my degree
https://ischool.syr.edu/academics/gradu ... n-science/
It's so "worthless" that I'm deputy director of a medium-sized library, since years...
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:02 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Chess literally just said that wasnt it. On the other hand...
Totally a degree in Fine Arts. Still a worthless degree, and it also has precedent in alt-right art students getting into politics.


Fine Arts?
Not exactly.
This is, more or less, the American equivalent of my degree
https://ischool.syr.edu/academics/gradu ... n-science/
It's so "worthless" that I'm deputy director of a medium-sized library, since years...

So...
Librarians arent underpaid workers who have to constantly deal with bull that isnt their fault while cleaning up after messes and dealing with people losing/not returning library books, all the while everyone treats them as subhuman in your country?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:41 pm

Chessmistress wrote:It's so "worthless" that I'm deputy director of a medium-sized library, since years...


You could have gone onto study something in a STEM field. Became an engineer. Or a scientist.

Instead, you post misogynistic and misandrist crap on some random internet forum.

Yeah, I'd call your degree worthless.
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Postby Ormata » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:51 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:It's so "worthless" that I'm deputy director of a medium-sized library, since years...


You could have gone onto study something in a STEM field. Became an engineer. Or a scientist.

Instead, you post misogynistic and misandrist crap on some random internet forum.

Yeah, I'd call your degree worthless.


To be fair, engineers and scientists can also be morons on a random internet forum.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:19 pm

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You could have gone onto study something in a STEM field. Became an engineer. Or a scientist.

Instead, you post misogynistic and misandrist crap on some random internet forum.

Yeah, I'd call your degree worthless.


To be fair, engineers and scientists can also be morons on a random internet forum.


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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:30 pm

Aquafireland wrote:Umm...no. You're there to lift, not to socialize. Nobody gives a crap what you look like and you should give a crap either. Don't know how to use equipment? Google it, or just ask someone. If they think lesser of you for things like this, then their opinion doesn't even deserve to be taken into consideration.

That's very much not true.

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Postby Ormata » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:30 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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To be fair, engineers and scientists can also be morons on a random internet forum.


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Wot? Have I?

I am...completely confused, in all honesty.Where would I go to get this cleared-up?

EDIT: Did it have to do with me stated the word "morons"? That was just in reference to the allegation that all Chess does is post misandry and the like.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:31 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:It's so "worthless" that I'm deputy director of a medium-sized library, since years...


You could have gone onto study something in a STEM field. Became an engineer. Or a scientist.

Instead, you post misogynistic and misandrist crap on some random internet forum.

Yeah, I'd call your degree worthless.

And you have made so much out of your life, eh?

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:32 pm

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Wot? Have I?

I am...completely confused, in all honesty.Where would I go to get this cleared-up?


Moderation, make a appeals there.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:33 pm

Merizoc wrote:
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You could have gone onto study something in a STEM field. Became an engineer. Or a scientist.

Instead, you post misogynistic and misandrist crap on some random internet forum.

Yeah, I'd call your degree worthless.

And you have made so much out of your life, eh?


All of us could be doing more productive work than posting on an internet forum.

I, for example, could be studying for finals right now. >>
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:34 pm

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Merizoc wrote:And you have made so much out of your life, eh?


All of us could be doing more productive work than posting on an internet forum.

I, for example, could be studying for finals right now. >>

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:44 pm

Merizoc wrote:And you have made so much out of your life, eh?


I'm not claiming I am speaking from some sort of higher authority or somewhere superior in life.

But I digress.
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Postby Ereria » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:15 am

Then I would have demanded men only hour, might be skinny guys or fat ones, that don't feel comfortable around fit girls.
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Postby Yygdrai » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:33 am

. . . Huh. So self-segregation is the new popular tactic.

I get it, it can be uncomfortable being around people outside a given social group. However, that being said, if you try to weed out everyone who makes you uncomfortable from the space around you, you wind up becoming rather . . . sheltered.

The human mind thrives on conflict. If we don't have something to fight against, we will make something up. This is why each generation believes the next is wimpy and entitled- the progress they fought for made life easier, so the next generation had to find a new enemy to fight.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely problems to be had on the front of body issues . . . but a university gym isn't exactly the appropriate target for such frustrations.

Not to mention, as another user said, it's illegal to implement inherently sexist policies in a public institution, which a university gym technically is.

This was just really a poorly thought out idea, from start to finish.

Of course, that's merely my two cents.
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Not to worry, the new administration will give feminists some real oppression they can complain about.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:01 am

Gauthier wrote:Not to worry, the new administration will give feminists some real oppression they can complain about.


<polite cough>

The story outlined in the OP involves a university in Ottawa. Trump's reach must be greater than we thought if he's going to start oppressing women in Canada.

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Gauthier wrote:Not to worry, the new administration will give feminists some real oppression they can complain about.


<polite cough>

The story outlined in the OP involves a university in Ottawa. Trump's reach must be greater than we thought if he's going to start oppressing women in Canada.

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Gauthier wrote:Not to worry, the new administration will give feminists some real oppression they can complain about.


<polite cough>

The story outlined in the OP involves a university in Ottawa. Trump's reach must be greater than we thought if he's going to start oppressing women in Canada.

Ah.
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