Should a women-only hour at the gym be the standard policy?

[Costa Fierro]

Feminists alway prove the narrative of anti-feminists, because Feminism, not just only Radical Feminism, IS about control.

Well at least you admit it.

But it's about women controlling our own lifes.

No. If it was about women controlling their own lives, you would let women become strippers and prostitutes, because that is them controlling their own lives. But you won't, because women's agency only applies to life choices that you agree with.

Misogynists can't tell the difference between women controlling their own life and "subjugating men", because they have male entitlement.

I'm not entitled at all. Radical feminism is about control, as you said, but it isn't about women controlling themselves, it's about radical feminism controlling everything. You and other radical feminists refusing to respect the choices women make that you disagree with is proof that you really don't care about agency at all but seek to mold and control people according and align them with your moral beliefs.

It's just that: they're losing unfair privileges, and they feel it as "oppression".

When people like you actively perpetuate the rape culture against men by actively suggesting that men cannot be raped or that it is acceptable to rape men and when you actively support measures to redefine rape to basically any form of sexual contact and then support castration or the death penalty for rapists, it is oppression because you are trying to force unreasonable restrictions on men.

Men do not have privileges and women do not have privileges. Society treats men and women in advantageous and disadvantageous ways. However, radical feminism doesn't seek to address those issues but instead wishes to implement a form of heavily biased society like some sort of irreligious Saudi Arabia, where holding hands would probably be considered sexism.

[Chessmistress]

I know that there are exceptions that can be used as proof that Feminists are trying to limit women's choices.
Very useful to your cause, isn't it?

Let's apply it to Politics, to better understand the concept:
Democracy is oppressive towards many people: political parties that get less than 4% don't get seats within the Parliament. People who voted such political parties aren't represented. Democracy failed its mission that was representation of all people. Let's abolish Democracy, it's oppressive.

Do you see the logic fail, now?

nope.

"Nope" isn't enough as explanation.
You have to explain why people who voted poltical parties that got less than 4% aren't oppressed by the lack of representation.
It's the same situation for women who are okay with being prostitutes: they don't get representation. Because they're a very narrow minority within prostitutes.
So, if Feminists are oppressing some prostitutes by pushing for the Swedish Model, then Democracy is oppressing some people by excluding their representatives from the Parliament.

[Kubra]

and in any case, how about we tally all the things you don't give a shit about, based on you obviously doing of any sort in RL

You obviously approve of the war in syria. Not just that, but the bombing of civilians by both sides. I assume sex trafficking and sexually slavery are also things you approve of, given you're apparent lack of declarations of internet credentials that would prove otherwise.

Not me, of course. I care about those things, I work with MSF in North Korea as a volunteer heart surgeon/life coach. On my off hours, I build multi-story condominiums for refugees from the Rwandan genocide.

Don't see how that will change anything, but sure.

No, I don't approve of it, in fact, I've been considering doing volunteer work that helps send aid to the country (There are multiple programs to do so). I also don't approve of the sex trade and slavery, however, considering I only turned 18 3 months ago, there's not really anything I can do at this point, though, if any way to help does appear, and I qualify to do that work, then you can bet I'd probably participate.

Hey, good for you.

tsk tsk, 18 already and not volunteering with an international aid organization? Do you even care?

But this will get too ridiculous. My point is that internet credentials are dumb. We don't know each other irl, so it doesn't make sense for us to chastise each other over imagined RL activity or lack thereof.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

nope.

Do you see the logic fail, now?
"Nope" isn't enough as explanation.
You have to explain why people who voted poltical parties that got less than 4% aren't oppressed by the lack of representation.
It's the same situation for women who are okay with being prostitutes: they don't get representation. Because they're a very narrow minority within prostitutes.
So, if Feminists are oppressing some prostitutes by pushing for the Swedish Model, then Democracy is oppressing some people by excluding their representatives from the Parliament.

Technically I answered the question

[Kubra]

you're right, I don't. You're right, I am on such a crusade.

And, on every other matter, I'm right. Especially milo related manners. The guy, not the drink.
Come now, I can be shut up easily, shown who the boss is, if only you could reconcile the views of milo with your own views expressed ITT. Open discussion of the sort is good, right?

You have to be joking. I dont believe you. Not for a second.

Renounce my opinions? Ha!
What's next? Should I renounce my Christian Faith as well? Do my opinions not align with what you think?

Btw you couldnt be more obviously flamebaiting. Do you really think I care more about discussing with you than my own opinions? You clearly show little respect for anyone, despite the fact that I respect you. Personally, I think that that is shameful and disrespectful. But despite that, I will continue to show you respect, whether you give it to me or not.

Renounce? I don't recall using such a word. I recall saying reconcile, but that's very different, innit?
But it's ok, I forgive you.

[Camaalbakrius]

Don't see how that will change anything, but sure.

No, I don't approve of it, in fact, I've been considering doing volunteer work that helps send aid to the country (There are multiple programs to do so). I also don't approve of the sex trade and slavery, however, considering I only turned 18 3 months ago, there's not really anything I can do at this point, though, if any way to help does appear, and I qualify to do that work, then you can bet I'd probably participate.

Hey, good for you.

tsk tsk, 18 already and not volunteering with an international aid organization? Do you even care?

But this will get too ridiculous. My point is that internet credentials are dumb. We don't know each other irl, so it doesn't make sense for us to chastise each other over imagined RL activity or lack thereof.

Yet you passionately criticise me for my opinions without a second thought.

[The Alexanderians]

Sounds awfully familiar if you ask me

Now now...I wouldn't go THAT far.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

You have to be joking. I dont believe you. Not for a second.

Renounce my opinions? Ha!
What's next? Should I renounce my Christian Faith as well? Do my opinions not align with what you think?

Btw you couldnt be more obviously flamebaiting. Do you really think I care more about discussing with you than my own opinions? You clearly show little respect for anyone, despite the fact that I respect you. Personally, I think that that is shameful and disrespectful. But despite that, I will continue to show you respect, whether you give it to me or not.

Renounce? I don't recall using such a word. I recall saying reconcile, but that's very different, innit?
But it's ok, I forgive you.

Why does he need to reconcile?

[Costa Fierro]

You have to explain why people who voted poltical parties that got less than 4% aren't oppressed by the lack of representation.
It's the same situation for women who are okay with being prostitutes: they don't get representation. Because they're a very narrow minority within prostitutes.
So, if Feminists are oppressing some prostitutes by pushing for the Swedish Model, then Democracy is oppressing some people by excluding their representatives from the Parliament.

Except you cannot equate democracy with prostitution. That isn't the same. And the only people being oppressed are the prostitutes, because not being represented in Parliament isn't oppression.

[Thermodolia]

nope.

"Nope" isn't enough as explanation.
You have to explain why people who voted poltical parties that got less than 4% aren't oppressed by the lack of representation.
It's the same situation for women who are okay with being prostitutes: they don't get representation. Because they're a very narrow minority within prostitutes.
So, if Feminists are oppressing some prostitutes by pushing for the Swedish Model, then Democracy is oppressing some people by excluding their representatives from the Parliament.

Maybe they don't have to explain themselves because they don't believe in democracy.

Also what you described is not democracy but a representative republic.

[Camaalbakrius]

You have to be joking. I dont believe you. Not for a second.

Renounce my opinions? Ha!
What's next? Should I renounce my Christian Faith as well? Do my opinions not align with what you think?

Btw you couldnt be more obviously flamebaiting. Do you really think I care more about discussing with you than my own opinions? You clearly show little respect for anyone, despite the fact that I respect you. Personally, I think that that is shameful and disrespectful. But despite that, I will continue to show you respect, whether you give it to me or not.

Renounce? I don't recall using such a word. I recall saying reconcile, but that's very different, innit?
But it's ok, I forgive you.

I dont see anything that I should apologize for, but I accept your forgiveness and I hope we can respect each other's opinions equally.

The flamebaiting was a bit obvious though

[Kubra]

tsk tsk, 18 already and not volunteering with an international aid organization? Do you even care?

But this will get too ridiculous. My point is that internet credentials are dumb. We don't know each other irl, so it doesn't make sense for us to chastise each other over imagined RL activity or lack thereof.

Yet you passionately criticise me for my opinions without a second thought.

have I criticized your rl activities?

[Chessmistress]

Sounds awfully familiar if you ask me

Now now...I wouldn't go THAT far.

Probably he don't know that public bathrooms are sex-segregated 24/7, not just only one hour per day.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Maybe they don't have to explain themselves because they don't believe in democracy.

[Camaalbakrius]

Renounce? I don't recall using such a word. I recall saying reconcile, but that's very different, innit?
But it's ok, I forgive you.

Why does he need to reconcile?

It's ok. Im fine with mutual friendship.

[Camaalbakrius]

Yet you passionately criticise me for my opinions without a second thought.

have I criticized your rl activities?

My rl support of Milo Yiannopoulos who is awesome in my opinion

[WaRtArIa]

Evidently, we also need a blacks-only hour at the gym.

[Arridian Islands]

WHY is this thread even getting so heated? I think if women need women-only stff, then men need men-only stuff. Thats TRUE equality.

[Thermodolia]

WHY is this thread even getting so heated? I think if women need women-only stff, then men need men-only stuff. Thats TRUE equality.

Because the OP thinks that equality equals oppression

[New haven america]

Don't see how that will change anything, but sure.

No, I don't approve of it, in fact, I've been considering doing volunteer work that helps send aid to the country (There are multiple programs to do so). I also don't approve of the sex trade and slavery, however, considering I only turned 18 3 months ago, there's not really anything I can do at this point, though, if any way to help does appear, and I qualify to do that work, then you can bet I'd probably participate.

Hey, good for you.

tsk tsk, 18 already and not volunteering with an international aid organization? Do you even care?

But this will get too ridiculous. My point is that internet credentials are dumb. We don't know each other irl, so it doesn't make sense for us to chastise each other over imagined RL activity or lack thereof.

Considering life has been rather hectic right now, I was planning on doing it when I had free time (Like my upcoming month long break for example).

Also, while I am willing to drop this, I must point out, you're one to talk. "Don't chastise others for their activity, RL or otherwise", while chastising people for their opinions (Which counts as an activity) on this very thread.

Looks like we both have things we need to work on, don't we?

[Arridian Islands]

WHY is this thread even getting so heated? I think if women need women-only stff, then men need men-only stuff. Thats TRUE equality.

Because the OP thinks that equality equals oppression

Lmao.

[Chessmistress]

"Nope" isn't enough as explanation.
You have to explain why people who voted poltical parties that got less than 4% aren't oppressed by the lack of representation.
It's the same situation for women who are okay with being prostitutes: they don't get representation. Because they're a very narrow minority within prostitutes.
So, if Feminists are oppressing some prostitutes by pushing for the Swedish Model, then Democracy is oppressing some people by excluding their representatives from the Parliament.

Maybe they don't have to explain themselves because they don't believe in democracy.

Also what you described is not democracy but a representative republic.

A parliamentary constitutional monarchy, just to be exact.
It's the electoral system of Sweden.
Political parties under 4% don't get seats within the Parliament.
Last elections Feminist Initiative got 3.1%....

So, now we have a problem: Parliamentary representative systems barring minor parties from entering the Parliament aren't representative of all people. In some countries the limit is 5%, in some 4%, in some 3%, and so on.
Why people aren't protesting about that, saying that representative systems aren't really representative of all people?
Because there are limits, and such limits are due the reality of things.
Same can applied even to every other system, even to the Swedish Model criminalizing buyers of women's bodies: it would be wonderful criminalizing just only men who buy 95% women who are forced into prostitution, while letting free men who pay for the bodies of the 5% women who are effectively willing to be prostitutes.
The problem is that such utopian system cannot even imagined.

[Chessmistress]

WHY is this thread even getting so heated? I think if women need women-only stff, then men need men-only stuff. Thats TRUE equality.

Because the OP thinks that equality equals oppression

Because both OP and the men within Carleton University think that the gym is already a male dominated space: INDEED men within Carleton University NEVER asked for a men-only hour.

[Salandriagado]

Now now...I wouldn't go THAT far.

Probably he don't know that public bathrooms are sex-segregated 24/7, not just only one hour per day.

Not all of them. Not by any means. And those that are shouldn't be.

[Kubra]

Renounce? I don't recall using such a word. I recall saying reconcile, but that's very different, innit?
But it's ok, I forgive you.

I dont see anything that I should apologize for, but I accept your forgiveness and I hope we can respect each other's opinions equally.

The flamebaiting was a bit obvious though

I assume accidental misquoting is reason enough? Or am I wrong?