Should a women-only hour at the gym be the standard policy?

[Camaalbakrius]

Praise the mighty Farn, let his wrath be just and his mercy forgiving

Her, and I'll see you in the dungeons.

Wait, Farn is a her?

Sorry, rules of internet clearly state: Until proven otherwise, assume straight white male

I am sorry though

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, and I am sure you thought that is such a great contribution to the point, didn't you?

It wasn't, but the problem with colleges IMO is gender studies

I'm of the opinion that gender studies should be a graduate studies program more than an undergrad.

Undergrad should teach you the basics of your career to master a specific angle of gender studies for when you are in your graduate studies you will be able to apply your skills you acquired in undergrad to the complex problem of gender relations.

I'm also of the belief that, if gender studies must be taught in undergrad, that it should be a concentration within a degree like history or sociology. Such as a history degree with a concentration in gender studies, for instance.

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, sure, and if someone calls you "gay," I'm sure you'll take that to mean you look happy.

TFW the mods start giving out free roasts

Mods are allowed to post like regular players as long as we don't use our mod powers in the same conversation. If someone trolls or flames in here right now, I would have to call in another mod to review it because of how I've been participating in the thread with non-mod stuff.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah, sure, and if someone calls you "gay," I'm sure you'll take that to mean you look happy.

Being fair, I've done that before in an attempt to mock people.

[Camaalbakrius]

It wasn't, but the problem with colleges IMO is gender studies

I'm of the opinion that gender studies should be a graduate studies program more than an undergrad.

Undergrad should teach you the basics of your career to master a specific angle of gender studies for when you are in your graduate studies you will be able to apply your skills you acquired in undergrad to the complex problem of gender relations.

I'm also of the belief that, if gender studies must be taught in undergrad, that it should be a concentration within a degree like history or sociology. Such as a history degree with a concentration in gender studies, for instance.

The thing about gender studies is that it isn't exactly what employers want to see when they look at your resume. If they see that you majored or minored in gender studies, then you have a very low chance of being hired, unless it's a fast food restaurant. And when these people realize that they can't get jobs, they blame the patriarchy and sexism rather than their own incompetence in that "My gender studies degree doesn't qualify me for a job at the Supercollider in Switzerland. Therefore the system must be inherently sexist" because that is all they were ever taught. I know I'm exaggerating and I might be on the edge of a mod warning, but I feel like it needed to be said.

[Camaalbakrius]

TFW the mods start giving out free roasts

Mods are allowed to post like regular players as long as we don't use our mod powers in the same conversation. If someone trolls or flames in here right now, I would have to call in another mod to review it because of how I've been participating in the thread with non-mod stuff.

I know, I've just never seen it before

[USS Monitor]

It would be rude to lie, so I'll say nothing.

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Why.....
Is this truly what these people have done to society?
Do we live in a world where arguments are ignored and evidence is never shown, but rather all knowledge and truth must be through radical feminist dogma?
What happened....

It's not limited to radical feminists. A lot of people try to ignore or dismiss anything that contradicts their preconceptions. Try quoting the Articles of Secession to a Confederate apologist if you want to see the same phenomenon on a non-feminist subject.

[Camaalbakrius]

....
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........
Why.....
Is this truly what these people have done to society?
Do we live in a world where arguments are ignored and evidence is never shown, but rather all knowledge and truth must be through radical feminist dogma?
What happened....

It's not limited to radical feminists. A lot of people try to ignore or dismiss anything that contradicts their preconceptions. Try quoting the Articles of Secession to a Confederate apologist if you want to see the same phenomenon on a non-feminist subject.

Yeah, that's true. it's just sad that that is the way the world has to be. But we can only adapt and move on. The world isn't perfect, and neither are its people. I'm not perfect for sure, and neither is anyone else. That's what is so sad

[The Alexanderians]

So exactly what parts of the radical faction (and a few benign ones) have asserted.

Okay, so? I was simply replying to the statement that it was coined 150+ years ago to separate the sexes. That's not true. I wasn't really talking about the modern use, which dates only from the 1970s.

My point was that they've been..."re-purposed".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm of the opinion that gender studies should be a graduate studies program more than an undergrad.

Undergrad should teach you the basics of your career to master a specific angle of gender studies for when you are in your graduate studies you will be able to apply your skills you acquired in undergrad to the complex problem of gender relations.

I'm also of the belief that, if gender studies must be taught in undergrad, that it should be a concentration within a degree like history or sociology. Such as a history degree with a concentration in gender studies, for instance.

The thing about gender studies is that it isn't exactly what employers want to see when they look at your resume. If they see that you majored or minored in gender studies, then you have a very low chance of being hired, unless it's a fast food restaurant. And when these people realize that they can't get jobs, they blame the patriarchy and sexism rather than their own incompetence in that "My gender studies degree doesn't qualify me for a job at the Supercollider in Switzerland. Therefore the system must be inherently sexist" because that is all they were ever taught. I know I'm exaggerating and I might be on the edge of a mod warning, but I feel like it needed to be said.

Hence why they should be concentrations of a degree rather than a degree in and of itself.

Gender studies, as a multidisciplinary degree, doesn't confer much other than being a jack of all trades and master of none when it comes to skills. And employers care about marketable skills under your belt. A jack of all trades is not really something employers are looking for when they are looking for prospective hires.

History on the other hand, sociology, or even business administration are more respectable degrees which give you marketable skills if you understand how to use your liberal arts degree to your advantage. Hence why a concentration, I think, would be a compromise if gender studies must remain in schools: it'd actually make people who want to study gender studies adhere to rigorous standards based on the disciplines they have chosen. People who are interested in gender studies from a historical perspective would have to adhere to the standards of the practice of historical studies, and so on.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The thing about gender studies is that it isn't exactly what employers want to see when they look at your resume. If they see that you majored or minored in gender studies, then you have a very low chance of being hired, unless it's a fast food restaurant. And when these people realize that they can't get jobs, they blame the patriarchy and sexism rather than their own incompetence in that "My gender studies degree doesn't qualify me for a job at the Supercollider in Switzerland. Therefore the system must be inherently sexist" because that is all they were ever taught. I know I'm exaggerating and I might be on the edge of a mod warning, but I feel like it needed to be said.

Hence why they should be concentrations of a degree rather than a degree in and of itself.

Gender studies, as a multidisciplinary degree, doesn't confer much other than being a jack of all trades and master of none when it comes to skills. And employers care about marketable skills under your belt. A jack of all trades is not really something employers are looking for when they are looking for prospective hires.

History on the other hand, sociology, or even business administration are more respectable degrees which give you marketable skills if you understand how to use your liberal arts degree to your advantage. Hence why a concentration, I think, would be a compromise if gender studies must remain in schools: it'd actually make people who want to study gender studies adhere to rigorous standards based on the disciplines they have chosen. People who are interested in gender studies from a historical perspective would have to adhere to the standards of the practice of historical studies, and so on.

People who are interested in becoming professional victims would have to adhere to the standards of practice of Economics.

[Camaalbakrius]

Hence why they should be concentrations of a degree rather than a degree in and of itself.

Gender studies, as a multidisciplinary degree, doesn't confer much other than being a jack of all trades and master of none when it comes to skills. And employers care about marketable skills under your belt. A jack of all trades is not really something employers are looking for when they are looking for prospective hires.

History on the other hand, sociology, or even business administration are more respectable degrees which give you marketable skills if you understand how to use your liberal arts degree to your advantage. Hence why a concentration, I think, would be a compromise if gender studies must remain in schools: it'd actually make people who want to study gender studies adhere to rigorous standards based on the disciplines they have chosen. People who are interested in gender studies from a historical perspective would have to adhere to the standards of the practice of historical studies, and so on.

People who are interested in becoming professional victims would have to adhere to the standards of practice of Economics.

I'm sure Feminists would love the idea of communism
No, they wouldn't actually
That would imply some sort of actual equality, which doesn't fit in with their goals

[USS Monitor]

I'm of the opinion that gender studies should be a graduate studies program more than an undergrad.

Undergrad should teach you the basics of your career to master a specific angle of gender studies for when you are in your graduate studies you will be able to apply your skills you acquired in undergrad to the complex problem of gender relations.

I'm also of the belief that, if gender studies must be taught in undergrad, that it should be a concentration within a degree like history or sociology. Such as a history degree with a concentration in gender studies, for instance.

The thing about gender studies is that it isn't exactly what employers want to see when they look at your resume. If they see that you majored or minored in gender studies, then you have a very low chance of being hired, unless it's a fast food restaurant. And when these people realize that they can't get jobs, they blame the patriarchy and sexism rather than their own incompetence in that "My gender studies degree doesn't qualify me for a job at the Supercollider in Switzerland. Therefore the system must be inherently sexist" because that is all they were ever taught. I know I'm exaggerating and I might be on the edge of a mod warning, but I feel like it needed to be said.

Gender studies isn't a very popular major. It's not a big deal if there isn't a huge demand for people with gender studies degrees because there also isn't a huge supply.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

People who are interested in becoming professional victims would have to adhere to the standards of practice of Economics.

Heh. Can't say I wouldn't chuckle a little at someone who is labeled a professional victim who is an economics graduate.

[Camaalbakrius]

The thing about gender studies is that it isn't exactly what employers want to see when they look at your resume. If they see that you majored or minored in gender studies, then you have a very low chance of being hired, unless it's a fast food restaurant. And when these people realize that they can't get jobs, they blame the patriarchy and sexism rather than their own incompetence in that "My gender studies degree doesn't qualify me for a job at the Supercollider in Switzerland. Therefore the system must be inherently sexist" because that is all they were ever taught. I know I'm exaggerating and I might be on the edge of a mod warning, but I feel like it needed to be said.

Gender studies isn't a very popular major. It's not a big deal if there isn't a huge demand for people with gender studies degrees because there also isn't a huge supply.

And there is a good reason for that:
People have better things to do

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Gender studies isn't a very popular major. It's not a big deal if there isn't a huge demand for people with gender studies degrees because there also isn't a huge supply.

Gender studies as it stands is a money sinker major, basically.

You get a very nominal benefit for going 4 years to understand gender relations when you could have just gone and talk with 1000 people over the same period of time and learn more about life and gender relations at a less expensive price tag.

[Kubra]

The thing about gender studies is that it isn't exactly what employers want to see when they look at your resume. If they see that you majored or minored in gender studies, then you have a very low chance of being hired, unless it's a fast food restaurant. And when these people realize that they can't get jobs, they blame the patriarchy and sexism rather than their own incompetence in that "My gender studies degree doesn't qualify me for a job at the Supercollider in Switzerland. Therefore the system must be inherently sexist" because that is all they were ever taught. I know I'm exaggerating and I might be on the edge of a mod warning, but I feel like it needed to be said.

Gender studies isn't a very popular major. It's not a big deal if there isn't a huge demand for people with gender studies degrees because there also isn't a huge supply.

I'm a str8 up sociology guy and I can count the gender studies people I know on one hand
With no fingers and thumbs
Literally zero

[The Emerald Dawn]

Gender studies isn't a very popular major. It's not a big deal if there isn't a huge demand for people with gender studies degrees because there also isn't a huge supply.

Gender studies as it stands is a money sinker major, basically.

You get a very nominal benefit for going 4 years to understand gender relations when you could have just gone and talk with 1000 people over the same period of time and learn more about life and gender relations at a less expensive price tag.

Heh. "Understand".

Mo chara, Gender Studies doesn't help you understand gender relations, it helps you conform to the bias of your instructors.

[Camaalbakrius]

Gender studies isn't a very popular major. It's not a big deal if there isn't a huge demand for people with gender studies degrees because there also isn't a huge supply.

I'm a str8 up sociology guy and I can count the gender studies people I know on one hand
With no fingers and thumbs
Literally zero

Praise be to The Lord, there is still hope

[Kubra]

I'm a str8 up sociology guy and I can count the gender studies people I know on one hand
With no fingers and thumbs
Literally zero

Praise be to The Lord, there is still hope

idk how f folks are still bringing up the gender studies bogeyman then there probably isn't

But hey I wouldn't trust a Milo fanboy with school matters and even less with gym matters

[Farnhamia]

Praise be to The Lord, there is still hope

idk how f folks are still bringing up the gender studies bogeyman then there probably isn't

But hey I wouldn't trust a Milo fanboy with school matters and even less with gym matters

I'd watch how you throw around epithets.

[Post War America]

If patriarchy is to be eliminated we need to make sure that women can assert themselves in a man's world to create positive change rather than creating a "women's space" that serves only to keep women sheltered from the rest of the world.

Here we have the fallacy of the whole argument.

“Don't think about making women fit the world -- think about making the world fit women."― Gloria Steinem

Except that you can't make change from the outside. Not effectively, the world will not change to fit the needs of women because of people who think the same way that you do. You consistently seem to think that sheltering women will make the world fit them it won't. It will isolate women and therefore keep the patriarchy intact. Justice for all genders will not occur until people actually combat the patriarchy directly, which is not what's happening when you isolate people.You are treating the symptoms of a disease and not the disease itself.

Yes this is a man's world I'm not even going to begin to contest that. Yes it is unjust, ain't arguing that either. Yes, ideally making the world a better place for women (and people who don't fit the binary) would be great. Unfortunately, you seem to believe that cordoning off tiny little portions of the world will actually make the whole world fit women. It won't. All it will do is exactly what its doing, cordoning off a small portion of the world, leaving the rest of it in the hands of patriarchs. Even if the entire world was comprised of these little segregated zones, it still wouldn't change the basic fact that patriarchy is a thing. You would have successfully treated the symptoms without taking care of the underlying problems. Which is the equivalent of putting a nice clean coat of paint on a shitty house, everything might look better, but the foundations are still foul and rotting.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Who cares about surviving?
Women could "survive" even under patriarchy.
We did it for so long.

Feminism isn't about "surviving".
Feminism is about thriving.

Humans thrive when they're able to modify the surrounding environment.
Now it's women's turn, and it'll happen even if you don't like it, since more and more women are outperforming men within education.
It's just a matter of time.

Equality isn't enough, then?

Radical Feminism is about control.

You've just proven the narrative of the anti-Feminists, Poe.

I think it's pretty much always been about control and female supremacy with RadFems.

[Camaalbakrius]

Praise be to The Lord, there is still hope

idk how f folks are still bringing up the gender studies bogeyman then there probably isn't

But hey I wouldn't trust a Milo fanboy with school matters and even less with gym matters

Ooh, edgy.

[Thermodolia]

Equality isn't enough, then?

Radical Feminism is about control.

You've just proven the narrative of the anti-Feminists, Poe.

I think it's pretty much always been about control and female supremacy with RadFems.

Yes but normally RadFems don't actually come out and say that