TRUMP: Yes, He Even Branded A MAGAthread

[Corrian]

I note you are ignoring the GOP gains in Congress, the State legislatures and the States Governerships. Add it all up, and I would say you are wrong.

GOP did not make any gains in Congress, iirc they lost 2 seats in the Senate and 8 in the House (they were defending more seats than the Dems in both, though). They still possess a simple majority in both House and Senate, though.

We just weren't as exciting as we should have been, because MANY more states could have and should have flipped to blue this time early on, but didn't in the end. And I mean in the senate. Not sure about the house.

[Divitaen]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/trump-obama-appointments/
Well i'm amused but not surprised.

It's funny that I'm becoming less and less concerned about the severity of the next 4 years under Trump as he does more and more of what neither those who voted for him, nor those who voted against him thought he'd do.

Edit: Nor what he said he'd do either. Though that isn't exactly unexpected.

Well, yeah, except that there are some things he clearly hasn't gone back on. Like his appointment of alt-right racist Steve Bannon, or the likely appointment of Jim Mathis as Secretary of Defense, who supported going to war with Iran and continues to support it. There's still a lot of shit Trump can do even while going back on some promises.

[Divitaen]

After the dems nominated hillary you are complaining that we're gullible.

Face it: America soundly rejected the leftist/liberal policies and politicians. Not just in electing Trump, but giving control of congress and a majority of the state legislatures and governorships to the Republicans as well.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I think electing freaking Clinton was a terrible idea as well. Even though she's not remotely as bad as people like to make her out to be, she had baggage that should have made her a big NO. Even if it was bullshit Republican smearing her name in the mud baggage, it was a bad, bad idea.

And they really didn't. Pretty much as pointed out, Clinton won the popular vote by like 1.8%, Republicans lost seats, just not enough and remained in power (because again, we picked a bad choice and ones that seemed likely to go Democrat ended up going Republican instead).

I still consider, besides a lot just sticking to party loyalty and all that (which is still stupid to me), that people are gullible to put their trust in a blatant con artist to "fix their problems". He's already going back on everything, which is blatantly obvious that he would have. It's just ridiculous that anyone trusted him at all.

When I heard a lot of Trump supporters rebutting claims that Trump's own actions contradicted his rhetoric (tax evasion, outsourcing, hiring illegal immigrants etc), their response was always that the very fact Trump has been gaming an unfair system is evidence that he knows how to fix an unfair system, which is the most ass-backwards logic I've ever heard before, its honestly surprising Trump managed to convince his supporters to tie themselves into mental knots to believe that, I have to admire him for that, or maybe gasp at the stupidity of his voters, not sure which.

[Corrian]

Why does it matter, if more people live somewhere, those people should have their vote counted equally.

And btw, the top 100 cities in America only amount to 22% of the population.

Yes, but once you factor in the metro areas those cities are apart of the populations reach absurd levels and there would be no point to campaign anywhere else.

I think the electoral college has a lot of problems but going purely off the popular vote sounds even worse imo.

I think if anything, it needs a revise. I'm not against the popular vote personally, but I'd be perfectly happy with a major revise to the electoral college system.

[Alvecia]

It's funny that I'm becoming less and less concerned about the severity of the next 4 years under Trump as he does more and more of what neither those who voted for him, nor those who voted against him thought he'd do.

Edit: Nor what he said he'd do either. Though that isn't exactly unexpected.

Well, yeah, except that there are some things he clearly hasn't gone back on. Like his appointment of alt-right racist Steve Bannon, or the likely appointment of Jim Mathis as Secretary of Defense, who supported going to war with Iran and continues to support it. There's still a lot of shit Trump can do even while going back on some promises.

Oh, it's still not good, but it's better.

[Divitaen]

Well, yeah, except that there are some things he clearly hasn't gone back on. Like his appointment of alt-right racist Steve Bannon, or the likely appointment of Jim Mathis as Secretary of Defense, who supported going to war with Iran and continues to support it. There's still a lot of shit Trump can do even while going back on some promises.

Oh, it's still not good, but it's better.

Haha...uhh maybe, but if he goes back on promises that I actually do agree with him on, such as ending the distrastrous TPP deal, then it could actually make things worse.

[Eol Sha]

GOP did not make any gains in Congress, iirc they lost 2 seats in the Senate and 8 in the House (they were defending more seats than the Dems in both, though). They still possess a simple majority in both House and Senate, though.

They also lost influence in a few state majorities and I'm pretty sure NM and Nevada completely went Democratic.

Not really. Overall, the Dems lost seats in State Houses and State Senates. Not to mention that the Dems lost even more governorships this year.

[Gauthier]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I think electing freaking Clinton was a terrible idea as well. Even though she's not remotely as bad as people like to make her out to be, she had baggage that should have made her a big NO. Even if it was bullshit Republican smearing her name in the mud baggage, it was a bad, bad idea.

And they really didn't. Pretty much as pointed out, Clinton won the popular vote by like 1.8%, Republicans lost seats, just not enough and remained in power (because again, we picked a bad choice and ones that seemed likely to go Democrat ended up going Republican instead).

I still consider, besides a lot just sticking to party loyalty and all that (which is still stupid to me), that people are gullible to put their trust in a blatant con artist to "fix their problems". He's already going back on everything, which is blatantly obvious that he would have. It's just ridiculous that anyone trusted him at all.

When I heard a lot of Trump supporters rebutting claims that Trump's own actions contradicted his rhetoric (tax evasion, outsourcing, hiring illegal immigrants etc), their response was always that the very fact Trump has been gaming an unfair system is evidence that he knows how to fix an unfair system, which is the most ass-backwards logic I've ever heard before, its honestly surprising Trump managed to convince his supporters to tie themselves into mental knots to believe that, I have to admire him for that, or maybe gasp at the stupidity of his voters, not sure which.

It's a common feature of cults with charismatic figures. The devoted will rationalize blatant contradictions and paradoxes committed by their chosen one.

[Geilinor]

It's funny that I'm becoming less and less concerned about the severity of the next 4 years under Trump as he does more and more of what neither those who voted for him, nor those who voted against him thought he'd do.

Edit: Nor what he said he'd do either. Though that isn't exactly unexpected.

Well, yeah, except that there are some things he clearly hasn't gone back on. Like his appointment of alt-right racist Steve Bannon, or the likely appointment of Jim Mathis as Secretary of Defense, who supported going to war with Iran and continues to support it. There's still a lot of shit Trump can do even while going back on some promises.

Mattis doesn't support going to war with Iran. He cautioned against ripping up the Iran deal.

[Geilinor]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/trump-obama-appointments/
Well i'm amused but not surprised.

But Trump, who visited the White House and met with Obama after the election, said Wednesday that he actually "really likes" the President.

How does he manage to flip-flop on literally everything?

[Divitaen]

When I heard a lot of Trump supporters rebutting claims that Trump's own actions contradicted his rhetoric (tax evasion, outsourcing, hiring illegal immigrants etc), their response was always that the very fact Trump has been gaming an unfair system is evidence that he knows how to fix an unfair system, which is the most ass-backwards logic I've ever heard before, its honestly surprising Trump managed to convince his supporters to tie themselves into mental knots to believe that, I have to admire him for that, or maybe gasp at the stupidity of his voters, not sure which.

It's a common feature of cults with charismatic figures. The devoted will rationalize blatant contradictions and paradoxes committed by their chosen one.

Well sure I can definitely agree with that. But cults tend to be small and fringe, Trump supporters are a pretty significant swathe of the adult population, so it just really frightens me that people can be so stupid.

[Gauthier]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/trump-obama-appointments/
Well i'm amused but not surprised.

But Trump, who visited the White House and met with Obama after the election, said Wednesday that he actually "really likes" the President.

How does he manage to flip-flop on literally everything?

Because as Putin knew from the get go, Obama figured out that fluffing Trump's ego means he'll bend over for you. Goes back to that whole obsession with Being Loved.

[Gauthier]

It's a common feature of cults with charismatic figures. The devoted will rationalize blatant contradictions and paradoxes committed by their chosen one.

Well sure I can definitely agree with that. But cults tend to be small and fringe, Trump supporters are a pretty significant swathe of the adult population, so it just really frightens me that people can be so stupid.

There's Best Korea. Practically a cult nation.

[Geilinor]

How does he manage to flip-flop on literally everything?

Because as Putin knew from the get go, Obama figured out that fluffing Trump's ego means he'll bend over for you. Goes back to that whole obsession with Being Loved.

So if Jeb had fluffed Trump's ego, he could have gotten Trump to drop out of the primaries.

[Divitaen]

Well, yeah, except that there are some things he clearly hasn't gone back on. Like his appointment of alt-right racist Steve Bannon, or the likely appointment of Jim Mathis as Secretary of Defense, who supported going to war with Iran and continues to support it. There's still a lot of shit Trump can do even while going back on some promises.

Mattis doesn't support going to war with Iran. He cautioned against ripping up the Iran deal.

Isn't he the guy who said its "hell of a lot of fun" to shoot Taliban fighters and said about Iraqi leaders "if you fuck with me I'll kill you all". And I remember a Vox article citing a source from the Obama administration that he was removed as head of Central Command because of his hawkish views on Iran and his insistence on using force against Iran.

[Jerzylvania]

How does he manage to flip-flop on literally everything?

Because as Putin knew from the get go, Obama figured out that fluffing Trump's ego means he'll bend over for you. Goes back to that whole obsession with Being Loved.

Machiavelli he is not.

[Divitaen]

Well sure I can definitely agree with that. But cults tend to be small and fringe, Trump supporters are a pretty significant swathe of the adult population, so it just really frightens me that people can be so stupid.

There's Best Korea. Practically a cult nation.

Well that's understandable since they're brought up as children in North Korea in a system controlled by the Kim family. But Trump wasn't a pre-existing Eternal President of America and he hasn't written American textbooks or owned the American media since these voters were young so I'm a little baffled at how to explain this cultism.

[Gauthier]

There's Best Korea. Practically a cult nation.

Well that's understandable since they're brought up as children in North Korea in a system controlled by the Kim family. But Trump wasn't a pre-existing Eternal President of America and he hasn't written American textbooks or owned the American media since these voters were young so I'm a little baffled at how to explain this cultism.

I would say Reality Television and Meme Addiction.

[Divitaen]

Well that's understandable since they're brought up as children in North Korea in a system controlled by the Kim family. But Trump wasn't a pre-existing Eternal President of America and he hasn't written American textbooks or owned the American media since these voters were young so I'm a little baffled at how to explain this cultism.

I would say Reality Television and Meme Addiction.

Sighs, maybe, but its still not "Trump-elevating" propaganda similar to North Korea

[Gauthier]

I would say Reality Television and Meme Addiction.

Sighs, maybe, but its still not "Trump-elevating" propaganda similar to North Korea

Trump memes are just propaganda without state sanction.

[Gauthier]

Also, cults tend to draw in followers from people looking for meaning in their lives. In this case, blue collar workers who heard Trump braying about bringing back extinct manufacturing jobs, bigots and supremacists who saw him as the Messiah who would take their cause back into legitimate mainstream and meme junkies who baked their eyes with The Apprentice marathons.

[Divitaen]

Also, cults tend to draw in followers from people looking for meaning in their lives. In this case, blue collar workers who heard Trump braying about bringing back extinct manufacturing jobs and bigots, supremacists who saw him as the Messiah who would take their cause back into legitimate mainstream and meme junkies who baked their eyes with The Apprentice marathons.

Right sure, go with the guy who built his towers with Chinese steel and outsources jobs and production to China and Mexico, makes a lot of sense. Sighs, cultists will never cease to amaze me.

[Gauthier]

Also, cults tend to draw in followers from people looking for meaning in their lives. In this case, blue collar workers who heard Trump braying about bringing back extinct manufacturing jobs and bigots, supremacists who saw him as the Messiah who would take their cause back into legitimate mainstream and meme junkies who baked their eyes with The Apprentice marathons.

Right sure, go with the guy who built his towers with Chinese steel and outsources jobs and production to China and Mexico, makes a lot of sense. Sighs, cultists will never cease to amaze me.

Desperation is the most common leverage cult indoctrination uses.

[Geilinor]

I don't know where to post this, so I'll do it here. Biden has been taking about running for president in 2020. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/joe-biden-202-trump-232318 He'll be 77, but if he wants to try and see how far he can get in the primaries, I would be all for it.

[Divitaen]

I don't know where to post this, so I'll do it here. Biden has been taking about running for president in 2020. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/joe-biden-202-trump-232318 He'll be 77, but if he wants to try and see how far he can get in the primaries, I would be all for it.

I honestly don't think Biden will try and run for President at that age, and honestly if he does I really doubt he would get that far. The Democrats will probably try and find a younger establishment figure and there would likely be an insurgent progressive candidate too in the race and I don't see Biden beating any of these two "types".