Right Wing Discussion Thread VI: Still Doin' The Reactionary

[Jochizyd Republic]

No "The Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler?

I am incredibly disappoint.

I assumed that was what was listed for Spengler.

Double Take.

Huh.

[Nusaresa]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Somehow I managed to leave the polls without losing my lunch. Never mind that the only reason I bothered is because it's not an option to abstain as a Catholic.

[United Marxist Nations]

I went with "The Doctrine Fascism", simply because it was an extremely influential work on history itself. Fascism was the last time that an authoritarian right wing ideology really rose to decisively oppose liberalism or socialism.

[Napkiraly]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

A lot of right-wing libertarians and other assorted folk have been heavily influenced by Rand and Objectivism.

[Old Tyrannia]

No "The Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler?

I am incredibly disappoint.

I thought it unfair to include more than one of Spengler's works. I chose Prussiandom and Socialism because it was the more explicitly political in nature of his well-known works.

Traditionalism, Monarchism, Prussian Constitutionalism.

I'd say it still does but without the connotations of Social Democracy.

I agree with Jochi- corporatism, in the broadest sense of the word, is very much a feature of traditionalist conservatism, as is class collaboration. Indeed, conservatives beat socialists to the punch on the latter, with Bismarckism in Germany and Disraeli's "one nation conservatism" along with Lord Randolph Churchill's "Tory democracy" in the UK.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I don't know if any of the works can hold to be influential for all or even most of the Right Wing. Because the Right Wing is so D I V E R S E.

But I'd say Reflections on the Revolution in France in general.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

I second this point of information. Why is someone who exemplifies the worst of liberal thought listed as right-wing?

[Lady Scylla]

My issues with Fascism are its militarist, authoritarian and nationalist nature. For me, a nation-state is the cooperation between the collective individuals and the State. Fascism puts the State above the individual, which, I feel, results in oppressive and socially detrimental policies. At the same time, I feel that the collective needs the State for structure and well-being, which is why I'm in favour of tripartism.

Overall, I feel the right and the left, the stereotypical collective vs individual or some other dichotomy, have good ideas, but go about them wrong. Hence, my tripartist approach of bringing Statist, Syndicalist, and Corporatist policies to the table under a limited representative, and triarchal oligarchy.

[Nusaresa]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

A lot of right-wing libertarians and other assorted folk have been heavily influenced by Rand and Objectivism.

Nevertheless, a somewhat questionable and dubious choice.

I don't know if any of the works can hold to be influential for all or even most of the Right Wing. Because the Right Wing is so D I V E R S E.

But I'd say Reflections on the Revolution in France in general.

#MuhNeoconfucianism

[Napkiraly]

No "The Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler?

I am incredibly disappoint.

I thought it unfair to include more than one of Spengler's works. I chose Prussiandom and Socialism because it was the more explicitly political in nature of his well-known works.

I'd say it still does but without the connotations of Social Democracy.

I agree with Jochi- corporatism, in the broadest sense of the word, is very much a feature of traditionalist conservatism, as is class collaboration. Indeed, conservatives beat socialists to the punch on the latter, with Bismarckism in Germany and Disraeli's "one nation conservatism" along with Lord Randolph Churchill's "Tory democracy" in the UK.

To be fair in regards to Bismarck, at the time quite a number of socialists were opposed to welfare since they viewed it as a band aid for capitalism that would prevent class consciousness from developing.

[United Marxist Nations]

No "The Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler?

I am incredibly disappoint.

I thought it unfair to include more than one of Spengler's works. I chose Prussiandom and Socialism because it was the more explicitly political in nature of his well-known works.

I'd say it still does but without the connotations of Social Democracy.

I agree with Jochi- corporatism, in the broadest sense of the word, is very much a feature of traditionalist conservatism, as is class collaboration. Indeed, conservatives beat socialists to the punch on the latter, with Bismarckism in Germany and Disraeli's "one nation conservatism" along with Lord Randolph Churchill's "Tory democracy" in the UK.

Yes, but this class collaborationism isn't in the same vein as that proposed by fascism and social democracy, which is an explicit collaboration of bourgeois and proletariat (primarily) for national interests.

[Nusaresa]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

I second this point of information. Why is someone who exemplifies the worst of liberal thought listed as right-wing?

Ultracapitalist/natural rights/god given rights wank is still right wing in perspective and contrast to say, syndicalism or even ordinary third way. It ends up in a hierarchical structure of society.

Needless to say, neoliberalism kills, and cares not of one's perceived social standing.

[Old Tyrannia]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

I second this point of information. Why is someone who exemplifies the worst of liberal thought listed as right-wing?

Ayn Rand was a right-libertarian. I consider her a right-winger, even if I hate most of her philosophy- as I do Hitler and Mussolini.

It was pretty hard to think of suitable representatives for strains of right-wing thought other than my own traditionalist conservatism, not being as familiar with the major writings underpinning those philosophies. I may not have entirely succeeded. I do maintain, however, that being characterised by social stratification and inequality, Randian libertarianism is a decidedly right-wing philosophy.

[The Kievan People]

Second cold war is a dumb meme. Russia ain't a superpower anymore.

China could try perhaps. But there isn't any indication they are interested.

[Conserative Morality]

Traditionalism, Monarchism, Prussian Constitutionalism.

All of those bank on both aspects SocDems were supposed to be fascist on.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I thought it unfair to include more than one of Spengler's works. I chose Prussiandom and Socialism because it was the more explicitly political in nature of his well-known works.

I agree with Jochi- corporatism, in the broadest sense of the word, is very much a feature of traditionalist conservatism, as is class collaboration. Indeed, conservatives beat socialists to the punch on the latter, with Bismarckism in Germany and Disraeli's "one nation conservatism" along with Lord Randolph Churchill's "Tory democracy" in the UK.

Yes, but this class collaborationism isn't in the same vein as that proposed by fascism and social democracy, which is an explicit collaboration of bourgeois and proletariat (primarily) for national interests.

But it...is a collaboration of "bourgeois and proletariat" interests. Prussia especially is a weird example to use for that, considering how much Prussian industry/economy was practically defined especially later on, under the Conservatism of Bismarck and continued by Wilhelm II, by the collaboration of business owners and Germanic Aristocracy with common interests.

Reactionary Conservatives in 19th century Europe seem to have always wanted some form of Corporatism the way I see it. Didn't Marx comment on that?

[United Marxist Nations]

Second cold war is a dumb meme. Russia ain't a superpower anymore.

China could try perhaps. But there isn't any indication they are interested.

Yeah, it's more like Russia is trying to draw a line where they won't let anymore Western influence in. They are trying to keep things out of their historical sphere, not necessarily attempting to expand.

[Nusaresa]

Second cold war is a dumb meme. Russia ain't a superpower anymore.

China could try perhaps. But there isn't any indication they are interested.

Yeah, it's more like Russia is trying to draw a line where they won't let anymore Western influence in. They are trying to keep things out of their historical sphere, not necessarily attempting to expand.

Somewhat relevant, glosses over why Russia is being the way it is. Made an order on the book myself yesterday.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Second cold war is a dumb meme. Russia ain't a superpower anymore.
China could try perhaps. But there isn't any indication they are interested.

Yeah, it's more like Russia is trying to draw a line where they won't let anymore Western influence in. They are trying to keep things out of their historical sphere, not necessarily attempting to expand.

And if any of those countries would rather not be in that sphere anymore? Not that the west as it currently stands is a good alternative, of course.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

Affirmative Action for AnCaps.

[Herskerstad]

No "The Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler?

I am incredibly disappoint.

I thought it unfair to include more than one of Spengler's works. I chose Prussiandom and Socialism because it was the more explicitly political in nature of his well-known works.

I suppose that is fair enough. Still, it is the book to pick from him.

[United Marxist Nations]

Traditionalism, Monarchism, Prussian Constitutionalism.

All of those bank on both aspects SocDems were supposed to be fascist on.

As I said, they use those aspects for entirely different reasons. SocDems and Fascists do it as a third position between socialism and capitalism. The others do it in an effort to protect traditions that are older than capitalism. They represent entirely different movements.

[Conserative Morality]

As I said, they use those aspects for entirely different reasons. SocDems and Fascists do it as a third position between socialism and capitalism. The others do it in an effort to protect traditions that are older than capitalism. They represent entirely different movements.

I think you're making an entirely arbitrary distinction that ignores the continuity between SocDems, Fascists, and past ideologies.

[Nusaresa]

Why is Ayn Rand even on the poll though, that's my question.

Affirmative Action for AnCaps.

Good one haha.