Is Islam Truly a religion of peace?

[Gauthier]

Oh look, another thread posted as a soapbox to let people rant about how there was no such thing as evil in the world until Islam was founded.

[Ormata]

Permit me to observe that Muslims seem to perform far, far more terror attacks than any other religion.

[Saiwania]

Yes it is. If you actually read the quran It will spout peace and stuff at you.

There are just as many violent verses within the Qur'an, so people who're inclined towards either peace or war can get the interpretation they want out of the religious book to fit into their pre-existing world view. Taking Islam's history into account however, I lean towards the violent verses being more canon or just as valid.

It is my observation that Islam is by far, the most violent of the Abrahamic religions statistically speaking. It is however, still possible for Muslims to be at peace. What I recommend is for western nations to leave the Muslim world alone to the greatest extent possible with regards to foreign policy to deescalate, but to be firm and uncompromising in protecting the secular way of life in non-Muslim countries.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What?

forget it

No i honestly dont understand what you said, are you saying they are on the religious side of the argument? Because im sure there are elements of religion on "Both" sides i guess

[Gauthier]

Permit me to observe that Muslims seem to perform far, far more terror attacks than any other religion.

Or you're seeing that more terrorists self-identify as Muslim and you're interpreting it as all 1.6 billion Muslims are terrorists waiting for The Right Moment to Strike.

[Free Rhenish States]

Permit me to observe that Muslims seem to perform far, far more terror attacks than any other religion.

Permit me to observe how you were refuted every time you came into our thread to spread lies.

[The British Mandate Of Israel]

Permit me to observe that Muslims seem to perform far, far more terror attacks than any other religion.

Or you're seeing that more terrorists self-identify as Muslim and you're interpreting it as all 1.6 billion Muslims are terrorists waiting for The Right Moment to Strike.

No one thought that one Muslim was going to shoot up a LGBT club. And what happened? He shot up a LGBT club.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Permit me to observe that Muslims seem to perform far, far more terror attacks than any other religion.

Someone has never heard of Anti-balaka or the May 18, 1992 Toronto fire bomb.

[Memovia]

Where is that phrase even from?Islam is definitely not any more peaceful than other major religions.

[Gauthier]

Or you're seeing that more terrorists self-identify as Muslim and you're interpreting it as all 1.6 billion Muslims are terrorists waiting for The Right Moment to Strike.

No one thought that one Muslim was going to shoot up a LGBT club. And what happened? He shot up a LGBT club.

Oh right, every Muslim in Florida wanted to shoot up the Pulse nightclub but Omar Mateen won the lottery to decide who got to do it. *nod*

[Mefpan]

Oh look, another thread posted as a soapbox to let people rant about how there was no such thing as evil in the world until Islam was founded.

As it turns out, I prefer cultures that don't encourage the stoning of people that openly display their affection to one another despite not being engaged, or people who happen to have a fondness for the same gender. I also prefer cultures in which absolute submission to the will of an invisible, inactive divine being that has allegedly passed down its alleged will through an alleged prophet is not the expected social norm.

Where is that phrase even from?Islam is definitely not any more peaceful than other major religions.

Ironically enough, I believe to remember that the Bush Administration started it. You know, Republicans.

[The British Mandate Of Israel]

Oh look, another thread posted as a soapbox to let people rant about how there was no such thing as evil in the world until Islam was founded.

As it turns out, I prefer cultures that don't encourage the stoning of people that openly display their affection to one another despite not being engaged, or people who happen to have a fondness for the same gender. I also prefer cultures in which absolute submission to the will of an invisible, inactive divine being that has allegedly passed down its alleged will through an alleged prophet is not the expected social norm.

^^^^

[Ormata]

Permit me to observe that Muslims seem to perform far, far more terror attacks than any other religion.

Permit me to observe how you were refuted every time you came into our thread to spread lies.

Seems a bit harsh. I did concede you victory.

As for the Christian terror groups, yes, yes they do exist. And yes they exist in Africa.

As for my thinking that all Muslims are terrorists, no. I said nothing of the sort. I simply pointed out that that is what I observed (Though admittedly I observe only that narrative. So it is skewed).

Thank you all for jumping on me as though I am evil, when I point-out something that is true.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Or you're seeing that more terrorists self-identify as Muslim and you're interpreting it as all 1.6 billion Muslims are terrorists waiting for The Right Moment to Strike.

No one thought that one Muslim was going to shoot up a LGBT club. And what happened? He shot up a LGBT club.

No one fought a christian dad would have killed his gay son but...

[Chernobyliya]

Oh look, another thread posted as a soapbox to let people rant about how there was no such thing as evil in the world until Islam was founded.

We now it, mr. SJW, but we're criticizing one of the CURRENT major sources.

[Gauthier]

No one thought that one Muslim was going to shoot up a LGBT club. And what happened? He shot up a LGBT club.

No one fought a christian dad would have killed his gay son but...

Obviously he was a lone wolf who in no way at all represents Christianity. *nod*

[Sunstruck]

"Look, it's in the Quran, Islam is peaceful!"
"No! Look at this other verse, it allows violence and rape!"
"My verse is better than yours!"
"No mine!"

guys guys calm down this is what atheists such as myself call contradictions
context is unnecessary

[Chernobyliya]

No one fought a christian dad would have killed his gay son but...

Obviously he was a lone wolf who in no way at all represents Christianity. *nod*

I'm a Christian, i dislike gays but i don't kill them, i also believe that many things in the bible are made up and not the word of god.
So take that you heretics.

[HATOOTEHLAND]

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As someone who is a Democratic Socialist, you'd be suprised to learn that I do infact hate Islam, and I consider it to be a right wing religion. (Before any Republican get's triggered, When I say right wing religion I mean it as in the fact that it takes the horrible aspects of Right wing Politics)

In my view it isn't a religion of peace and the evidence I have for it you can find in the youtube channel I linked to a youtuber I watch. Now If you want me to explain why Islam isn't peaceful I will start now.

Islam tells it's subjects to force others to believe in the religion, And many non-muslim arabs who live in the middle-east and move to Europe or America move because of it, not to mention there was a porn star a while back (If I remember I believe she was not a muslim.) Who moved from a Muslim country to America where she would start doing her line of work. Isis somehow found out who she was and sent her a picture saying that she was next.

But, with that this brings me to another discussion, Non-muslim arabian immigrant. Islam can't allow a country to develop well because it doesn't support seperation of church in state, which I will get into later and It makes many of the Non-muslims/People that call themselves 'muslims' that can work leave and go to countries where they can work. And with this Immigration Muslim countries simply can't progress, aside from Turkey and even then the country recently had gotten a leader who does not believe in seperation of church and state.

Now with non-seperation of Church and state. Islam does not allow it, neither did christanity in the past but that was only because of political views and not because of the bible it's self, with Islam even if a politician wants seperation of church and state the Muslim Population will not allow it as Islam does not allow them to.

And Finally for my final statement I'm going to bring up the Crusades. While I don't particuarly agree with the atrocities that any side did the Knights who fought for christiantity in a way were morally higher as Muslims were the one who started the war, As their book tells them to go to war with their neighbors and betray those who are weak.

That will be my final point, If anyone wishes to bring another point up or an opinion feel free to comment on this thread.

Note:
Before anyone starts saying I favor one religion over the other, I dislike all religions.

to be honest out of all the jerks I have met, you are the worst. you spill hate for no reason

[Gauthier]

"Look, it's in the Quran, Islam is peaceful!"
"No! Look at this other verse, it allows violence and rape!"
"My verse is better than yours!"
"No mine!"

guys guys calm down this is what atheists such as myself call contradictions
context is unnecessary

TIL even atheists think Islam is the ultimate evil compared to other religions.

[Gyrenaica]

I tend to dislike religion in general. But there are some verses in the Quran that make me question how much of a religion as much as it is an ideology.

Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”
Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”
Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”
Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.
Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’
Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah
Ibn Ishaq: 327 – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Ibn Ishaq: 992 – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Muhammad’s instructions to his men prior to a military raid.
Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."
Sahih Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'"
Sahih Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us."

Condemning anyone who doesn't their agenda... sounds like fascism/hitler to me

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Al-Islam isn't a religion of peace.

[HATOOTEHLAND]

forget it

No i honestly dont understand what you said, are you saying they are on the religious side of the argument? Because im sure there are elements of religion on "Both" sides i guess

all I said was I was surprised that there were some communist nations on the religious side of the argument I am one I know but there were others.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

to be honest out of all the jerks I have met, you are the worst.

You got like an...Actual argument?

[Salandriagado]

Oh look, another thread posted as a soapbox to let people rant about how there was no such thing as evil in the world until Islam was founded.

As it turns out, I prefer cultures that don't encourage the stoning of people that openly display their affection to one another despite not being engaged, or people who happen to have a fondness for the same gender. I also prefer cultures in which absolute submission to the will of an invisible, inactive divine being that has allegedly passed down its alleged will through an alleged prophet is not the expected social norm.

Because obviously, world-wide Islam is a monoculture.