Is Islam Truly a religion of peace?

[Cymrea]

In fairness to Muslims, this site is also pretty critical towards Christianity and the contradictions and hypocrisies of its followers.

[Herskerstad]

The second reason is no reason to censor this thread. And it isn't even the first reason at all.

Instead of proposing to shut down the entire thread, why not try defending your viewpoint? I'm pretty sure I disagree with you utterly on this subject, but regardless, censoring criticism will do nothing for your cause (I assume you are Muslim/an apologist).

once again, hate is going to be seen. i doesnt HAVE TO. but this thread acts as a STIMULUS to hate.

You want to know what can boil some real hatred and not this fooling around kind?

Censoring based on feelings, the past or that hatred towards an idea.

[Auramazd]

Like all other religions it's a slave to political philosophy; it is whatever the orator wishes it to be.

So true.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Like all other religions it's a slave to political philosophy; it is whatever the orator wishes it to be.

So true.

That depends, really. I would argue that Islam is more easily used for violence than, say, Buddhism, because its progenitor not only by words but deeds endorsed violence and warfare in the context of the faith. Thus Islam has in its "DNA" the propensity for violence. Obviously not all Muslims are violent, but that is because of their cultural/economic circumstances, not due to their religion. The converse is true of most religions of the modern era.

[Chernobyliya]

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[Quokkastan]

Like all other religions it's a slave to political philosophy; it is whatever the orator wishes it to be.

So true.

It's not quite true though. You'd have a really hard time turning something like Jainism into a warrior cult. It's not necessarily impossible, but I certainly can't think of any way to do it, and I'm normally pretty good at this sort of thing. Something like Sikhism though, wouldn't take much effort at all. The language is already there, built into the religion. It's a religion that likes military metaphors, and overtly condones violence.

Similarly, I don't know if you could ever take something like Aztec religion, and reform it to the point where it could be pacifistic. I think the best you could hope for is to get followers not to act on their religion under threat of legal action. But at the point where Nahuatl faith gains political power, I would expect the Flower Wars to start up again.

Nice flag by the way. I like the Simurgh.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

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If you have a complaint regarding this thread, then please take it to Moderation.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I'm pretty damn peaceful.

[Neanderthaland]

I'm pretty damn peaceful.

Most people are most of the time. It's not as though every single Aztec butchered people on the Pyramid of the Sun. It doesn't make that religion "of peace" and it doesn't do that for Islam either.

[Vorond]

"religion of peace" is a contradiction in term. Why noot make one about "excellent non-alcoholic beer" next?

[Neutraligon]

"religion of peace" is a contradiction in term. Why noot make one about "excellent non-alcoholic beer" next?

Ever heard of Jains?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

"religion of peace" is a contradiction in term. Why noot make one about "excellent non-alcoholic beer" next?

Ever heard of Jains?

Hell, what about Quakers?

[Yorkers]

Ever heard of Jains?

Hell, what about Quakers?

Lunatic hippies.

I would know, my grandfather was one.

[Akarov]

I'll reopen the thread in a moment. There are too many one-liners and too much snark and off-topic blather in this thread. The posts below are the worst of it, but there are some other people not being redtexted who might want to stop and think a little about whether the stuff they are posting is really constructive.

The short answer is, it depends, if you are talking about the civilized western muslims then yes, but if you are talking about the ones in the middle east then no.

You're painting with a broad brush here, generalizing all Middle Eastern Muslims and implying they're uncivilized. Be careful with that.

My biggest gripe with the dummies that say that "Islam is a Religion of Peace" is not that they are saying that muslims and Islam can exist in non-violent forms, but because they have the bloody GUTS to say something like that. Sure, there is peaceful Islam. Not much but there is. But saying that the religion which has probably caused most death and violence in the last 50 years is a whole other thing, and honestly it sounds extremely ignorant to me.

Unofficial warning for trolling with the "dummies" bit.

But how about you read your own Qur'an instead of being so ignorant?

We now it, mr. SJW, but we're criticizing one of the CURRENT major sources.

First off i see you running along the lines of "This religion promotes it so the other has the right to do it".
No, it doesn't, that is not an argument. You're desperate because you're losing, you're like a cornered wild animal and will not go down without a fight. But you lose anyway.

Secondly, i already implied i don't believe in most of the bible being the actual word of god, so there is that.

FOR THE 1000TH TIME.

WHAT WAS BELIEVED IN 1000 YEARS AGO AND HAS CHANGED BELIEFS OVER THE YEARS AND REFORMED WHILST ISLAM HAS NOT CHANGED BELIEFS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT.

Your warning is upgraded to a *** 1-day ban *** due to the flamebait and unnecessary use of capslock in the posts listed above, as well as your recent history from elsewhere on NS.

Guys! Stop jumping down Hatootehland's throat! This is one of the SJ community's main gripes- as soon as someone says something, we're all down everyone's throats! Let them speak their opinion, please.

The oversized text is obnoxious. Don't do that.

Like I said watch the youtube channel

I think the ban from Yumyum is sufficient punishment for your actions in this thread, but I would like to point out that repeatedly nagging people to watch a Youtube video can get you in trouble for spamming if you do it enough.

to be honest out of all the jerks I have met, you are the worst. you spill hate for no reason

whoever created this thread is obviously spoiling for a fight

who creates threads like these, like come on its nation states not nationhate

you wish

First post here: obvious flaming.

2nd post: If you think someone is looking for a fight, go to the Moderation and report them for trolling. Don't just reply to them with complaints and accusations (trollnaming). In this case, I think it would have been helpful and saved me a lot of work if someone had reported the OP sooner. He has been flaming and baiting and trolling throughout the thread since the beginning, not only the posts that Yumyum cited in his ruling, and it would have been nice if we'd seen it in time to nip the problem in the bud.

3rd post: obvious baiting.

Given the obviousness of the rule-breaking across more than one post, and the number of spammy one-liners you posted earlier in the thread, you get a *** 1-day ban ***

It's not a religion of peace, no. It's more a kin to a psychotic, fascistic ideology.

Sort of on the same tier as "If you don't agree with me - I'm gonna kill you!"

Granted, many religious people of different religions think the same way, but it is in no way as wide-scale as it is in Islam.

Although this was attacking the religion rather than the people, the language is needlessly inflammatory, and I would suggest taking it down a notch.

Do note that I am not a Muslim and what I have posted here is merely to stand up for justice, do what I think is right and do this world a favor by liberating it from ignorant dig-dongs.

Are you an idiot or something?

Your defense of Islam is welcome on NS forums. Your name-calling is not. *** Warned for flaming. ***

Being an asshole doesn't make you sound any smarter.

Oh, my bad. So I guess you were being an ass just to be an ass. That's cool.

*** 7-day ban for flaming ***

Pointing out a fact is trolling? Perhaps you need to reread the rules

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=267751

It was trolling. If that was supposed to be an appeal, consider it denied.

Yay...moderators doing their job on 'protecting' the users of an online forum that encourages debate and arguments. No, seriously, keep doing what you are doing guys and while you are at it, could you include "Free-Speech" as an offense that can get you banned. I don't know about anyone else but i'm just a bit confused when you ban someone for speaking their mind in an online forum meant to encourage debate and argument, it really just puts me in quite a doozy. Can you ban me as well from here cause you know, since im speaking openly about my opinion it meets the standardized requirements YOU have set here.

Thnx bunchies bby.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yay...moderators doing their job on 'protecting' the users of an online forum that encourages debate and arguments. No, seriously, keep doing what you are doing guys and while you are at it, could you include "Free-Speech" as an offense that can get you banned. I don't know about anyone else but i'm just a bit confused when you ban someone for speaking their mind in an online forum meant to encourage debate and argument, it really just puts me in quite a doozy. Can you ban me as well from here cause you know, since im speaking openly about my opinion it meets the standardized requirements YOU have set here.

Thnx bunchies bby.

If you have any questions or suggestions regarding Moderation, then please address them in the Moderation forum, where we will be happy to assist you, rather than in this thread, where the subject is off-topic.

[Jolthig]

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Why?

[Auramazd]

This is a region that has NEVER experienced democracy (except maybe Turkey and Armenia)

Turkey??? I know I'll get flamed for this, but you people should really get to know Syria better, I'm pretty dang sure that it is (or was) the most democratic country (regarding religion) in the immediate area.

Muslims are supposed to take the Quran as absolute truth.

Not really, there are various sayings (Surahs, Hadiths, etc) close to this: "One hour of meditation is better than seventy years of worship" so I think that saying one is supposed to take Quran or anything else as absolute truth is actually against its teachings.

You see, this is how Islam will be reformed.
But then millions of Wahabbi's -snip- .

I'm only muslim-born, I believe no one can ever say they are Muslim (or anything else) without actually discovering it themselves; also most of the Wahabbis' victims are other Muslims.

They are all based on slavery, Monarchy -snip-

Take Saudi Arabia for example: They believe that women are inferior -snip-

Actually, they were formed to fight or at least better these things, but were ultimately used in favor of them.

But the Qu'ran will not allow that.

The same can be said about other books/teachings.

-snip- such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda -snip-

also: Ottomans (Islam), Hitler (Christianity) and Israel (Judaism) and many more.

Moslems also belief that they are not a different religion from Judaism and Christian, but simply an extension of their belief. Some of the Islamic school of thought even suggest that Zoroastrianism is also a part of the Abrahamic Religion. A Moslem teacher of mine even believe that Buddha is one of Allah's prophet

This.

[Auramazd]

Nice flag by the way. I like the Simurgh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Senmurv.svg

[Jolthig]

Take Saudi Arabia for example: They believe that women are inferior -snip-

Actually, they were formed to fight or at least better these things, but were ultimately used in favor of them.

What?

But the Qu'ran will not allow that.

The same can be said about other books/teachings.

Again, what?

[Aquafireland]

What the fuck? No seriously. This thread isn't down? This is some bullshit right here. All I see are countless nations getting warnings, flames, 1 day bans, SEVEN day bans...isn't that a CLEAR fucking signal to take this shit down? How absent-minded does one have to be to let this go un-noticed? FUCK!

[Aquafireland]

Yay...moderators doing their job on 'protecting' the users of an online forum that encourages debate and arguments. No, seriously, keep doing what you are doing guys and while you are at it, could you include "Free-Speech" as an offense that can get you banned. I don't know about anyone else but i'm just a bit confused when you ban someone for speaking their mind in an online forum meant to encourage debate and argument, it really just puts me in quite a doozy. Can you ban me as well from here cause you know, since im speaking openly about my opinion it meets the standardized requirements YOU have set here.

Thnx bunchies bby.

If you have any questions or suggestions regarding Moderation, then please address them in the Moderation forum, where we will be happy to assist you, rather than in this thread, where the subject is off-topic.

He's complimenting you. Fucking respect?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

What the fuck? No seriously. This thread isn't down? This is some bullshit right here. All I see are countless nations getting warnings, flames, 1 day bans, SEVEN day bans...isn't that a CLEAR fucking signal to take this shit down? How absent-minded does one have to be to let this go un-noticed? FUCK!

You've already been told that if you have an issue with this thread, then you should bring it up in Moderation, and not here. Therefore, you are knowingly posting something off-topic.

Unofficial Warning For Spam.

Further violations will escalate this to official warnings, and so on down the line.

[Aquafireland]

What the fuck? No seriously. This thread isn't down? This is some bullshit right here. All I see are countless nations getting warnings, flames, 1 day bans, SEVEN day bans...isn't that a CLEAR fucking signal to take this shit down? How absent-minded does one have to be to let this go un-noticed? FUCK!

You've already been told that if you have an issue with this thread, then you should bring it up in Moderation, and not here. Therefore, you are knowingly posting something off-topic.

Unofficial Warning For Spam.

Further violations will escalate this to official warnings, and so on down the line.

You might wanna check Mod.

[Republic of Republiks]

No religion is inherently one thing or another thing. There will be people who choose violence to promote their ideologies that they consider to define themselves, whether their motivation is political, religious, or otherwise. This is especially true for religion, whose old, sometimes mistranslated or misinterpreted texts can cause much confusion about their true meanings. I think that it's important to realize that when it comes to Islam, or any other religion.

[Neanderthaland]

No religion is inherently one thing or another thing. There will be people who choose violence to promote their ideologies that they consider to define themselves, whether their motivation is political, religious, or otherwise. This is especially true for religion, whose old, sometimes mistranslated or misinterpreted texts can cause much confusion about their true meanings. I think that it's important to realize that when it comes to Islam, or any other religion.

I don't think that's quite true. Any religion can be bent to support this or that, but there are limits.

It would be virtually impossible to make Jainism seem to promote violence. It's a very old religion, but it's unambiguously pacifistic. On the other hand it doesn't take any effort to make Norse religion seem to promote violence. It does so pretty much automatically.

There are clearly religions that are better suited towards peace than others. Islam is not the most warlike by any means, but it's not a serious contender for "a religion of peace" in a world where Jains and Mennonites exist. The idea of Islam being a "religion of peace" wouldn't even worth arguing were Muslims not doctrinally obligated to believe that it is.