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Postby The British Mandate Of Israel » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:16 am

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If you would kindfully check the youtube channel I linked you would be proved wrong sir.


So why do the vast majority of followers not engage in religiously motivated violence then?


Like I said watch the youtube channel

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Postby Kaedshi » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:16 am

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The British Mandate Of Israel wrote:That is true, But Islam tends to be the most violent.


the thing is we only focus on Islam, if we focused on say Christianity we would get the same result

This is true. Extremism is prevalent in every group. Reactionary Repulicans, Radical Liberals. The Westboro Baptist Church. The KKK. The Taliban. ISIS. EVERYONE HAS THEIR ASSHOLES.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:17 am

The British Mandate Of Israel wrote:
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So why do the vast majority of followers not engage in religiously motivated violence then?


Like I said watch the youtube channel



Youtube is a bad source. Anyone can say anything.

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why should I call you a racist, all I know is that you believe the media


You know most media censors and protects islam right?



no not really they criticize every leader who accept it always find the time to talk about a terrorist or a Muslim bomber tbh the west mostly influenced violence in islam

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:17 am

The British Mandate Of Israel wrote:
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So why do the vast majority of followers not engage in religiously motivated violence then?


Like I said watch the youtube channel


YouTube also gave us the creatively edited works of James O'Keefe.
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Postby Kaedshi » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:18 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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Like I said watch the youtube channel



Youtube is a bad source. Anyone can say anything.

Don't source wikipedia, either, or I'll link this thread to the Hot Dog Gray Wolf.
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Postby The British Mandate Of Israel » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:18 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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Like I said watch the youtube channel



Youtube is a bad source. Anyone can say anything.


That is true but the majority of Migrants in Europe seem to be violent

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Postby Salandriagado » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:18 am

No more so than any other religion.
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Postby Crockerland » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:19 am

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That's some great peace right there.
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Postby Free Rhenish States » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:20 am

Alright now, let an actual Muslim from the Muslim thread address this quick.
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As someone who is a Democratic Socialist, you'd be suprised to learn that I do infact hate Islam, and I consider it to be a right wing religion. (Before any Republican get's triggered, When I say right wing religion I mean it as in the fact that it takes the horrible aspects of Right wing Politics)

Hardly a surprise considering your country name tbh.
In my view it isn't a religion of peace and the evidence I have for it you can find in the youtube channel I linked to a youtuber I watch. Now If you want me to explain why Islam isn't peaceful I will start now.

Your opinion is your opinion, you are free to think what you want.
Islam tells it's subjects to force others to believe in the religion, And many non-muslim arabs who live in the middle-east and move to Europe or America move because of it, not to mention there was a porn star a while back (If I remember I believe she was not a muslim.) Who moved from a Muslim country to America where she would start doing her line of work. Isis somehow found out who she was and sent her a picture saying that she was next.

False. Islam strictly prohibits force-conversion. This is ABC Islam.
But, with that this brings me to another discussion, Non-muslim arabian immigrant. Islam can't allow a country to develop well because it doesn't support seperation of church in state, which I will get into later and It makes many of the Non-muslims/People that call themselves 'muslims' that can work leave and go to countries where they can work. And with this Immigration Muslim countries simply can't progress, aside from Turkey and even then the country recently had gotten a leader who does not believe in seperation of church and state.

The golden age of Islam was when the state was not separated from the religion, in these days, Muslim countries were waaaay more advanced than the Christian Europe. Andalusia was a good example of this, or Baghdad. I'm not the one to tell you that Algebra and Chemistry being Arabic words, or how the Catholic Church kept Europe the backwater of the world. Your point is invalid as most Muslim countries now have religion separated from the state, and yet they still have to emigrate, because of the corruption in these unreligious states.
Now with non-seperation of Church and state. Islam does not allow it, neither did christanity in the past but that was only because of political views and not because of the bible it's self, with Islam even if a politician wants seperation of church and state the Muslim Population will not allow it as Islam does not allow them to.

I don't think Islam can allow or disallow a separation of state and church against the background of the latter being nonexistant in Islam.
And Finally for my final statement I'm going to bring up the Crusades. While I don't particuarly agree with the atrocities that any side did the Knights who fought for christiantity in a way were morally higher as Muslims were the one who started the war, As their book tells them to go to war with their neighbors and betray those who are weak.

Muslims? Start the crusades? I hope you just do realize how ridiculous does that sound? :lol2: Their moral superiority being what exactly? The knights you talk about were mere bandits who killed everyone who was not Christian, both Muslims and Jews.
Our book does not tell us to go to war with our neighbors, or betray anyone, it's something you made up. Islam is the religion of Truth, we neither betray anyone or go to war with anyone. Back then in Arabia, the Prophet (saw) concluded a truce with pagans, which favored the pagans. More pagans converted to Islam than any time before.
That will be my final point, If anyone wishes to bring another point up or an opinion feel free to comment on this thread.

To conclude, your hatred stems from ignorance. I'd recommend educating yourself by reading Quran (to see how peaceful it is) and actually reading the Bible (to see how peaceful the religion is you seem to favor is compared to the Quran)
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:20 am

The British Mandate Of Israel wrote:
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Youtube is a bad source. Anyone can say anything.


That is true but the majority of Migrants in Europe seem to be violent


I don't live in Europe but the refugees we have here (Canada) are nice.

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Postby Kaedshi » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:20 am

Salandriagado wrote:No more so than any other religion.

While the media is displaying the immigrants as murderous rapists, I feel like if someone were to actually look at the numbers, we'd see similar numbers in other demographics. Maybe, maybe not, but that's just an opinion. If someone feels like checking that, my brain is open.
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The British Mandate Of Israel wrote:That is true but the majority of Migrants in Europe seem to be violent

Imagine actually believing this to be true.
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ill be back I need to recite some surahs for my quran class

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Postby Mefpan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:21 am

I'm not so concerned with how "peaceful" Islam allegedly is or is not on a political level. What's much more worrying is how a far greater portion of its adherents than your average twice-a-year Christian has some rather, ahem, interesting views on how to treat women, homosexuals or those who leave the faith.

Religions generally suck when they are also a political force, and I for one am really glad that Christianity has since been largely declawed and its fangs filed down with the exception of a handful nutters in the U.S. and a few regions of Africa. And Islam sorely needs to be declawed in much the same manner.
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Postby Cymrea » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:22 am

Crockerland wrote:Abu Dawud 4390
Narated By Atiyyah al-Qurazi : "I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair."


That's some great peace right there.

Christianity's resume for peace and love is pretty fucking terrible, too. Glass houses, he without sin, and so forth.
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The British Mandate Of Israel wrote:https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/10/sweden-ban-christmas-lights/
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/10/g ... ic-chants/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... to-canada/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuV1MBNoAYA

As someone who is a Democratic Socialist, you'd be suprised to learn that I do infact hate Islam, and I consider it to be a right wing religion. (Before any Republican get's triggered, When I say right wing religion I mean it as in the fact that it takes the horrible aspects of Right wing Politics)

In my view it isn't a religion of peace and the evidence I have for it you can find in the youtube channel I linked to a youtuber I watch. Now If you want me to explain why Islam isn't peaceful I will start now.

Islam tells it's subjects to force others to believe in the religion, And many non-muslim arabs who live in the middle-east and move to Europe or America move because of it, not to mention there was a porn star a while back (If I remember I believe she was not a muslim.) Who moved from a Muslim country to America where she would start doing her line of work. Isis somehow found out who she was and sent her a picture saying that she was next.

But, with that this brings me to another discussion, Non-muslim arabian immigrant. Islam can't allow a country to develop well because it doesn't support seperation of church in state, which I will get into later and It makes many of the Non-muslims/People that call themselves 'muslims' that can work leave and go to countries where they can work. And with this Immigration Muslim countries simply can't progress, aside from Turkey and even then the country recently had gotten a leader who does not believe in seperation of church and state.

Now with non-seperation of Church and state. Islam does not allow it, neither did christanity in the past but that was only because of political views and not because of the bible it's self, with Islam even if a politician wants seperation of church and state the Muslim Population will not allow it as Islam does not allow them to.

And Finally for my final statement I'm going to bring up the Crusades. While I don't particuarly agree with the atrocities that any side did the Knights who fought for christiantity in a way were morally higher as Muslims were the one who started the war, As their book tells them to go to war with their neighbors and betray those who are weak.

That will be my final point, If anyone wishes to bring another point up or an opinion feel free to comment on this thread.

This is pretty ridiculous. Where should I start? The pisspoor, laughable sources at the start? The terrible understanding of history at the end? The classic 12-yr-old line "I have evidence from youtube"? The awful, awful, awfulllllll idea of what causes the recent influx of muslim "migrants"? The complete lack of understanding of the church-and-state and its relation to development?
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Postby Kaedshi » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:23 am

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That's some great peace right there.

Christianity's resume for peace and love is pretty fucking terrible, too. Glass houses, he without sin, and so forth.

Yeah. There are some shitty christians. There are militants in every group, as I said earlier.
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its funny how most of the communist nations or on the religious side of the argument

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Postby Mefpan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:24 am

Cymrea wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Abu Dawud 4390


That's some great peace right there.

Christianity's resume for peace and love is pretty fucking terrible, too. Glass houses, he without sin, and so forth.

I, too, remember the armies of the Knights Templar slaughtering their way through the hellish warzones (but mostly through the heathen unbelievers) of Syria and Iraq even today.

...wait, was that the latest Assassin's Creed? No, that was more scheming and plotting...what was it, again?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:24 am

HATOOTEHLAND wrote:its funny how most of the communist nations or on the religious side of the argument

What?
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Postby The Portland Territory » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:25 am

No, no, and nope. Maybe not the followers, or the majority of them at least, but the religion itself is not peaceful at all
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Postby Cymrea » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:26 am

Kaedshi wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Christianity's resume for peace and love is pretty fucking terrible, too. Glass houses, he without sin, and so forth.

Yeah. There are some shitty christians. There are militants in every group, as I said earlier.

Yes, there are. But it's only Islam taking a hit in this thread. The hypocrisy is telling.
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HATOOTEHLAND wrote:its funny how most of the communist nations or on the religious side of the argument

What?


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