Is Islam Truly a religion of peace?

[Saiwania]

It is almost comical what an awful human being Muhammad was, like when he ordered the murder of a 120 year old man named Abu Afak simply for reciting poetry against him, his cruelty and malice were so over the top it's a little funny.

I really have to question anyone making it to 120 years of age back then what with a lack of modern dentistry and hygiene, along with any number of things which used to kill people but are easily prevented or is no longer as much of a problem in today's context. But whatever, I'll roll with it- 120 years is practically speaking; the maximum length of time any person has managed to reach through purely natural means. Murdered or not, someone that old was going to expire soon regardless.

[Free Rhenish States]

Leviticus 20:13
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Jesus said he came to restore the law, so him thinking the same is an obvious given.
As for these verses, nearly all of them just take the desired parts out of context to create the visibility of violence. The only violent verses of Quran by far are:


And the one I like now:

I have a good list of Biblical verses, the violence level of which cannot be compared to any verse of the Quran. Care to see?

Thx akhi.

You're welcome, brother. ^^

[Crockerland]

That's your interpretation of Islam. Don't try to force it down my throat. I have my own interpretation.

Actually, no. That'sin the Holy Qur'an and aHadith.

Also in the Quran:
Fight anyone who doesn't believe in Allah until they pay the Jizya (Quran 9:29)
Fight any believer who is near you (Quran 9:123)

Also in the Hadith:
"I [Muhammad] will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims" (Sahih Muslim 4366)
Muhammad and his followers mass-murdered captive men and teenagers (Abu Dawud 4390)

[Gages Icelandic Army]

please don't do this


I came to nation states to escape a depression

I may disagree with NS on some of the stats they give my nation when I choose issues. But I do have pride in NS for the fact that they allow topics that are tough for some of us to hear. Don't take this thread as something to depress you. Use it to strengthen you. If it starts to get to be too much, leave the forum. But defend your faith as long as you believe in it. If you think it's a religion of peace, then prove it.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Actually, no. That'sin the Holy Qur'an and aHadith.

Also in the Quran:
Fight anyone who doesn't believe in Allah until they pay the Jizya (Quran 9:29)
Fight any believer who is near you (Quran 9:123)

Also in the Hadith:
"I [Muhammad] will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims" (Sahih Muslim 4366)
Muhammad and his followers mass-murdered captive men and teenagers (Abu Dawud 4390)

Yep. That's right. Except for the last sentence.

[Kubumba Tribe]

http://legacy.quran.com/2/177, http://legacy.quran.com/2/190

[Threlizdun]

Any sufficiently large religion will be capable of being interpreted by practitioners in radically different manners. Islam is no exception. It's a religion of peace and a religion of war. It's a a religion of progress and a religion of reaction. Attempting to categorize it as exclusively one thing is ridiculous. To truly understand a faith, you must study it, and speak to its practicioners. Even the fundamentalists have reasons for believing what they do.

[Danceria]

May I ask what is a religion of peace? Truly?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Firstly, quit dodging the question. Does Exodus 21:24 promote violence or not?


Secondly, you speak for all the christians on earth?

Notice that i said "Secondly, i already implied i don't believe in most of the bible being the actual word of god, so there is that".

What you're saying is still not an argument, also it does promote violence and i do not believe that its the actual word of god.

I know that you said that, but other Christians do believe that it is the word of god. Thus the point of asking if you speak Christians on earth.


So, you acknowledge that it does promote violence and yet you criticize Islam for the same thing?

[Crockerland]

It is almost comical what an awful human being Muhammad was, like when he ordered the murder of a 120 year old man named Abu Afak simply for reciting poetry against him, his cruelty and malice were so over the top it's a little funny.

I really have to question anyone making it to 120 years of age back then what with a lack of modern dentistry and hygiene, along with any number of things which used to kill people but are easily prevented or is no longer as much of a problem in today's context. But whatever, I'll roll with it- 120 years is practically speaking; the maximum length of time any person has managed to reach through purely natural means. Murdered or not, someone that old was going to die soon regardless.

Regardless, ramming a sword through his liver in his sleep for reciting poetry was unnecessary. 120 was an unlikely number and may have been a figure of speech simply meaning he was a very, very old man, much like 70 times 7 in Matthew 18:22 doesn't likely mean an actual 490.

[Chernobyliya]

Notice that i said "Secondly, i already implied i don't believe in most of the bible being the actual word of god, so there is that".

What you're saying is still not an argument, also it does promote violence and i do not believe that its the actual word of god.

I know that you said that, but other Christians do believe that it is the word of god. Thus the point of asking if you speak Christians on earth.


So, you acknowledge that it does promote violence and yet you criticize Islam for the same thing?

FOR THE 1000TH TIME.

WHAT WAS BELIEVED IN 1000 YEARS AGO AND HAS CHANGED BELIEFS OVER THE YEARS AND REFORMED WHILST ISLAM HAS NOT CHANGED BELIEFS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh, I'm out this thread.
May Allah guide you all, Aameen.

[Kubumba Tribe]

ISLAM HAS NOT CHANGED BELIEFS

It's not supposed to.

[Free Rhenish States]

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh, I'm out this thread.
May Allah guide you all, Aameen.

Same. Got to go.

[Chernobyliya]

ISLAM HAS NOT CHANGED BELIEFS

It's not supposed to.

Therefore it is still violent.

Islam is still not a religion of peace.

[Danceria]

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh, I'm out this thread.
May Allah guide you all, Aameen.

I'd say ditto if that means "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life on this thread"
> out b4 those who humored my questions, comments, remarks and posts are sad. Don't worry, you're still a lovely lad/lass/other/indecipherable mass of Lovecraftian tentacles. I may pop back in when there are cooler heads that are interested in solutions rather than problems. Maybe.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I know that you said that, but other Christians do believe that it is the word of god. Thus the point of asking if you speak Christians on earth.


So, you acknowledge that it does promote violence and yet you criticize Islam for the same thing?

FOR THE 1000TH TIME.

WHAT WAS BELIEVED IN 1000 YEARS AGO AND HAS CHANGED BELIEFS OVER THE YEARS AND REFORMED WHILST ISLAM HAS NOT CHANGED BELIEFS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT.

What are you even talking about? What does this have to do with anything?

Non Sequiturs are not arguments.

[Kubumba Tribe]

It's not supposed to.

Therefore it is still violent.

Islam is still not a religion of peace.

'Still violent, not anything else, just blood, blood, and more blood, like a bunch of savage VIkings'.
Also, I agree that Al-Islam isn't a religion of peace.

[Hertotia]

Islam is as much a religion of peace as, say, Christianity. It has a violent past and some violent radicals today, but the majority of adherents are good people who'd never do anything bad "for God."

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It's not supposed to.

Therefore it is still violent.

Islam is still not a religion of peace.

By your logic, no religions are peaceful.

[Shemlia]

Islam is a relgion of peace! Fact! I am an atheist not a triggered muslim.

[Immoren]

I am not sure how relevant the names of the swords are in this.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Islam is a relgion of peace! Fact! I am an atheist not a triggered muslim.

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[Kubumba Tribe]

I am not sure how relevant the names of the swords are in this.

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[Mefpan]

As it turns out, I prefer cultures that don't encourage the stoning of people that openly display their affection to one another despite not being engaged, or people who happen to have a fondness for the same gender. I also prefer cultures in which absolute submission to the will of an invisible, inactive divine being that has allegedly passed down its alleged will through an alleged prophet is not the expected social norm.

Because obviously, world-wide Islam is a monoculture.

Curiously enough, it has a much more consistent set of morals than the "Christian" occident nowadays, which has by large separated the everloving fuck out of church and state. Morals that are not necessarily the most tolerant. And what little drive there is to secularize Islam is absolutely eclipsed by the voices that insist that the way to do things is to drive it even further back into the fucking dark ages.

Islam in its form as it was in its prophet's time was a fucking problem. Islam in its current form is, or more appropriately has a fucking problem. Islam, for it to not be a problem in the future, needs to be secularized. There needs to be a fucking drive from within Islam to make clear to anyone who considers themselves a Muslim that persecuting unbelivers is not okay. That persecuting homosexuals is not okay. That persecuting people for extramarital relationships is not okay. That persecuting people for daring to leave the faith behind is not okay. That persecuting people for offenses of their fathers and forefathers, even if the West is currently well on its way to forget that, is still not okay.

Just holding ears shut and eyes closed does fuck all to solve the problem. It's still there, we're just pretending to not notice it.