China wants to score all their citizens

[Yugoslav Memes]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-surveillance-big-data-score-censorship-a7375221.html

Imagine a world where an authoritarian government monitors everything you do, amasses huge amounts of data on almost every interaction you make, and awards you a single score that measures how “trustworthy” you are.



Holy crap. This reminds me of "1984" by George orwell. I'm totally in favor of monitoring non white citizens with secret files

99,99 % of China's population are "non-whites".

tfw honorary whites

Mainland China will never become democratic as long as communist junta is in power.

I know that.
We can only hope someone gets through to some certain Party members who then try their best to change China for the better.

All party members I know, including my relatives, were either big fucking assholes or people who shrug and say they can't do anything.

gg trying to get reform from inside

China, stop it. You're just going to waste money, and make yourselves less trustworthy. You're better off giving more civil liberties, and stopping your emission rates.
You're giving communism and Socialism a bad name.

Go the Nordic model. Go the Nordic model.

Mainland China will never become democratic as long as communist junta is in power.

>communist
>junta

uh

i believe the correct word is authoritarian oligarchy

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anyway, can't really see this having a big impact on the population. the people who talk shit about cpc on boards like tieba, they're basically all misanthropic apathetic depressed pseudo-philosophers which have no real use to the state if they get arrested, or people who are incapable of doing anything physical which is also not a big threat (basically your average hong kong separatist- i mean democracy activist). Icing on the cake.

oh hey i flipped the page again

[A Humanist Science]

In the democratic "West," FICO services billions of credit score sales per year. ChexSystems tracks the reputations of checking account holders for thousands of banks, containing hundreds of thousands of individual branches.

Big data/surveillance is actually a pretty everyday thing.

The difference one of them is government, the other corporate.

OK. But Kravanica's question seemed to simply express disbelief at the scale of the information problem that China would have to overcome.

I'm simply pointing out that it's been overcome in spades. Right or wrong, China or corporate bank, tracking and scoring a billion people is totally doable. It's done everyday.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The weird thing is that you don't support this.

[Imperial Union of America]

The weird thing is that you don't support this.

Oh, i do. I just don't think it's realistic or efficient. i would prefer a more in depth file that would be free of such arbitrary scores.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The weird thing is that you don't support this.

Oh, i do. I just don't think it's realistic or efficient. i would prefer a more in depth file that would be free of such arbitrary scores.

I feel like the score is the easiest way to do it, actually

[Imperial Union of America]

Oh, i do. I just don't think it's realistic or efficient. i would prefer a more in depth file that would be free of such arbitrary scores.

I feel like the score is the easiest way to do it, actually

I feel it's too open to some corrupt bureaucrat who manipulates the score for arbitrary or corrupt reasons.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I feel like the score is the easiest way to do it, actually

I feel it's too open to some corrupt bureaucrat who manipulates the score for arbitrary or corrupt reasons.

I mean, any system that monitors citizens to determine the lot life is in danger of that.

[Imperial Union of America]

I feel it's too open to some corrupt bureaucrat who manipulates the score for arbitrary or corrupt reasons.

I mean, any system that monitors citizens to determine the lot life is in danger of that.

Yes, but who decides the number? i feel it's just easier to manipulate than an intelligence file.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I mean, any system that monitors citizens to determine the lot life is in danger of that.

Yes, but who decides the number? i feel it's just easier to manipulate than an intelligence file.

The score would probably be determined by a list ie, Counter Revolutionary actions -25. The record would probably also list the reason for deductions to keep some random guy moving some numbers around

[Imperial Union of America]

Yes, but who decides the number? i feel it's just easier to manipulate than an intelligence file.

The score would probably be determined by a list ie, Counter Revolutionary actions -25. The record would probably also list the reason for deductions to keep some random guy moving some numbers around

Yeah, but it's not a video game and i think having an arbitrary number wouldn't give a sufficient picture to be worth the effort.

You don't know why those points were deducted or granted, specifically without looking at the file anyway.

A summary in the file would probably be a lot more useful than some big number pasted on the front.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The score would probably be determined by a list ie, Counter Revolutionary actions -25. The record would probably also list the reason for deductions to keep some random guy moving some numbers around

Yeah, but it's not a video game and i think having an arbitrary number wouldn't give a sufficient picture to be worth the effort.

You don't know why those points were deducted or granted, specifically without looking at the file anyway.

A summary in the file would probably be a lot more useful than some big number pasted on the front.

More useful, but we're talking monitoring over 1 billion people. It's not like crime records where you just review as necessary, you have to keep constant surveillance on every last citizen,constantly reviwewing and updating it. When it comes to that, it's not feasible to keep an efficient system without some short hand to make it easy.

[Yugoslav Memes]

also uh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun

[The Funeral Party]

China is like not even communist from the start,they were nazis from the start.

[Haja-Mishu]

I hope that this move isn't surprising to anyone...

[Yugoslav Memes]

China is like not even communist from the start,they were nazis from the start.

uh

they only did that after they realized they had no more means of controlling the population effectively after deng xiaoping's reforms so nationalism became their new pillar

[Genivaria]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-surveillance-big-data-score-censorship-a7375221.html

Imagine a world where an authoritarian government monitors everything you do, amasses huge amounts of data on almost every interaction you make, and awards you a single score that measures how “trustworthy” you are.

In this world, anything from defaulting on a loan to criticising the ruling party, from running a red light to failing to care for your parents properly, could cause you to lose points. And in this world, your score becomes the ultimate truth of who you are – determining whether you can borrow money, get your children into the best schools or travel abroad; whether you get a room in a fancy hotel, a seat in a top restaurant – or even just get a date.

Holy crap. This reminds me of "1984" by George orwell. I'm totally in favor of monitoring non white citizens with secret files, but rating everyone is a huge beaurocratic nightmare.

How do you feel about this system? Will it be practical or too expensive? Wil it even be effective?

Lol hypocrisy.
Once again you make no sense.

[Yugoslav Memes]

seriously has this topic actually lost all real value just because who posted the op

smh, i should reserve all topics on china to be posted by me next time

[Atomic Utopia]

Okay. I expect it will be done with the usual incompetence government projects seem to exhibit, but it could be sort of useful to have such files for handing out security clearances and other such state secrets, but I think it is completely worthless to attempt to do anything beyond security clearances/work that involves sensitive information. Also rather daft as well, I mean seriously, it might be useful to use it to determine security risks, but beyond that? Foolish.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ah yes, the famous internet tracking and big data of the Soviet Union.

It was probably a reference to the Stasi's habit of compiling dossiers on literally everybody.

Which isn't what China is looking to do here.

The programmes have different ends and methods, and saying "The Soviets would have done this if they had the internet" would not be correct.

The Soviets would probably have come up with PRISM if they had the internet.

[Yorkers]

I'm totally in favor of monitoring non white citizens with secret files, but rating everyone is a huge beaurocratic nightmare.

ALL HAIL FIRST CONSUL CHARLES CUSTER OSWALD OF THE REPUBLICAN UNION!

[Ethel mermania]

Frankly, this is an expanded credit score. Sesame Credit, run by Alibaba already does this. If the government wants to deny certain people their services (many of these restrictions would probably be done through companies which are wholly owned by the state, or at least a controlling stake), I find no fault with that, the same way a bank shouldn't be forced to make loans.

i am not seeing this as much different than a credit report either. We already do it in the west.

[Imperializt Russia]

Frankly, this is an expanded credit score. Sesame Credit, run by Alibaba already does this. If the government wants to deny certain people their services (many of these restrictions would probably be done through companies which are wholly owned by the state, or at least a controlling stake), I find no fault with that, the same way a bank shouldn't be forced to make loans.

i am not seeing this as much different than a credit report either. We already do it in the west.

Except the impact of the Sesame Credit score, as Extra Credit reported on it a year ago, is meant to be much more wide-reaching than our credit scores in the west, and is tied to political allegiance and access to things like social networks and public services.

[Ethel mermania]

i am not seeing this as much different than a credit report either. We already do it in the west.

Except the impact of the Sesame Credit score, as Extra Credit reported on it a year ago, is meant to be much more wide-reaching than our credit scores in the west, and is tied to political allegiance and access to things like social networks and public services.

China is not a politically freedom loving place, and even in the commercial sector still has lots of publicly owned companies, and the government directly controls services. In their environment it is not surprising that their government would add these factors.

in a way thought even in the west wouldn't it be nice if your credit rating could be increased by volunteering your time with a local ambulance corp.

[Imperializt Russia]

Except the impact of the Sesame Credit score, as Extra Credit reported on it a year ago, is meant to be much more wide-reaching than our credit scores in the west, and is tied to political allegiance and access to things like social networks and public services.

China is not a politically freedom loving place, and even in the commercial sector still has lots of publicly owned companies, and the government directly controls services. In their environment it is not surprising that their government would add these factors.

in a way thought even in the west wouldn't it be nice if your credit rating could be increased by volunteering your time with a local ambulance corp.

Probably.

The potential demerits could be arbitrary and ruinous.

[New Tuva SSR]

I'm totally in favor of monitoring non white citizens with secret files, but rating everyone is a huge beaurocratic nightmare.

0 to 100 real quick

Ignoring that overtly obvious hypocrisy and racism, I think that this is indeed a 1984-esque move by the Jinping government. Howver, it will be discontinued soon due to skyrocketing prices.