Right Wing Discussion Thread V - Emperor's Holy Inquisition

[Sanctissima]

That's not the point.

The point is that some things remain true because they're so logically basic, it's a near-impossibility for them to ever be proven wrong. Saying that an entity needs matter in order to be an entity is the same as saying something needs to be made of something in order to be something. It's logically infallible.

To say that the smallest unit of matter in existence can be itself split is wrong on such a logically basic level that it's impossible for it to be true.

What you're trying to argue is that in the case of God, something that's made of nothing can still be considered something. That's 100% logically fallible, and always will be, no matter how scientifically advanced we become.

Never delve into metaphysics. It'll really fuck with your head, then.

When discussing God, abstract concepts are key to forming understandings, or understandings of understandings. If you don't have the flexibility to, say, discuss (not necessarily agree with - discuss without dismissing out of hand) the possibility that causality doesn't exist, then you shouldn't really be involved in any higher-level theological or philosophical debates.

I can discuss things like the nature of Jesus, who your god is, why he's special compared to other peoples' gods, and any number of theological concepts. But if you're unwilling to acknowledge the most basic of scientific facts, and claim that philosophy is some special realm of thought where the most fundamental laws of the universe can be broken, then you're deluding yourself.

Do you want to know the truth about metaphysics? It's just quantum physics for people who aren't smart enough to be scientists.

[Conserative Morality]

I can discuss things like the nature of Jesus, who your god is, why he's special compared to other peoples' gods, and any number of theological concepts. But if you're unwilling to acknowledge the most basic of scientific facts, and claim that philosophy is some special realm of thought where the most fundamental laws of the universe can be broken, then you're deluding yourself.

Do you want to know the truth about metaphysics? It's just quantum physics for people who aren't smart enough to be scientists.

Edgier than a teen vampire hunter with a katana.

[Sanctissima]

I can discuss things like the nature of Jesus, who your god is, why he's special compared to other peoples' gods, and any number of theological concepts. But if you're unwilling to acknowledge the most basic of scientific facts, and claim that philosophy is some special realm of thought where the most fundamental laws of the universe can be broken, then you're deluding yourself.

Do you want to know the truth about metaphysics? It's just quantum physics for people who aren't smart enough to be scientists.

Edgier than a teen vampire hunter with a katana.

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

[Uiiop]

Edgier than a teen vampire hunter with a katana.

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

You are aware science is philosophy right?

[Sanctissima]

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

You are aware science is philosophy right?

Hardly.

Science is actually studying things through empirical research.

Philosophy is inflecting on things, and arriving at conclusions through what is mostly thought alone. There are vast differences between the two.

[Conserative Morality]

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand the point of philosophy. Alternatively, you don't know the boundaries of science.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

You are aware science is philosophy right?

Bullshit. Scientists hate knowing things. The more they know the less they know.

[Socialist Nordia]

Interesting to see degeneracy winning the poll.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand the point of philosophy. Alternatively, you don't know the boundaries of science.

To be fair, philosophy didn't build my house.

[Sanctissima]

Yeah, well, it's true, so take it as you will.

Needless to say I'm not a huge fan of philosophy. Then again, science has managed to explain in a matter of centuries what philosophy has painstakingly attempted over the course of millennia. The entire discipline is about as outdated as alchemy.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand the point of philosophy. Alternatively, you don't know the boundaries of science.

The point of philosophy is the exact same as that of science, it's just that one goes about achieving its objectives with labs and actual research while the other sits down on a rock, looks up at the sky and ponders.

Needless to say, one has a slight edge on the other.

[Conserative Morality]

To be fair, philosophy didn't build my house.

Not philosophy's job. Not really science's job either.

[Uiiop]

You are aware science is philosophy right?

Hardly.

Science is actually studying things through empirical research.

Philosophy is inflecting on things, and arriving at conclusions through what is mostly thought alone. There are vast differences between the two.

Wrong on both counts.

The steps in the scientific method is basically doing what you call philosophy(I think i don't what you mean by inflecting) then testing/researching to see if it's accurate.
I doubt that makes it different enough to make it go no true scotsman.
Other thing with the lack of dissection and evidence that this is what philosophy does you're kinda doing the same thing you're criticizing it over.

[Anonymous Union]

To be fair, philosophy didn't build my house.

Not philosophy's job. Not really science's job either.

Biology = Human building house
Physics = Movement of people building house

WOW.

[Conserative Morality]

The point of philosophy is the exact same as that of science, it's just that one goes about achieving its objectives with labs and actual research while the other sits down on a rock, looks up at the sky and ponders.

...

Have you ever read any philosophy, by chance? Other than ancient Greek philosophers?

[Conserative Morality]

Biology = Human building house
Physics = Movement of people building house

WOW.

Science can figure out how those things come about, but before the advent of modern scientific theory, houses still got built. It's not science's job to perform anything. Science is discovery and knowledge, not progress. Science describes reality as it is.

[AtlantisB]

So I was blocked for political nicknaming, uh? Must be because of the Hillwitch and Adolf Hitler Trump. Well, then I'll call them Hillwhore or Billswhore and Auschwitz Josef Mengele Trump. How do you like that?

[Anonymous Union]

Biology = Human building house
Physics = Movement of people building house

WOW.

Science can figure out how those things come about, but before the advent of modern scientific theory, houses still got built. It's not science's job to perform anything. Science is discovery and knowledge, not progress. Science describes reality as it is.

*clapping* Much smart. So wow.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

To be fair, philosophy didn't build my house.

Not philosophy's job. Not really science's job either.

Science was a nice enough friend to build my house for a reduced price.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So I was blocked for political nicknaming, uh? Must be because of the Hillwitch and Adolf Hitler Trump. Well, then I'll call them Hillwhore or Billswhore and Auschwitz Josef Mengele Trump. How do you like that?

Consider going to 4Chan please.

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous Union]

So I was blocked for political nicknaming, uh? Must be because of the Hillwitch and Adolf Hitler Trump. Well, then I'll call them Hillwhore or Billswhore and Auschwitz Josef Mengele Trump. How do you like that?

Consider going to 4Chan please.

>>>/pol/

Political nicknaming is against the rules here.

So don't politically nickname anyone and you won't get banned for that.

This ain't /pol/

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Science describes reality as it is.

Pretty sure Nihilism is under philosophy. :^)

[Conserative Morality]

Science describes reality as it is.

Pretty sure Nihilism is under philosophy. :^)

Not that it really matters.

[Ashkera]

Science is about what is.

Philosophy is about what we call it, and what it should be. Or should not be. Or whether there even is a "should."

[Diopolis]

Science is about what is.

Philosophy is about what we call it, and what it should be. Or should not be. Or whether there even is a "should."

No. Philosophy is about what is and what should be. Science is about how it behaves.

[Ashkera]

Science is about what is.

Philosophy is about what we call it, and what it should be. Or should not be. Or whether there even is a "should."

No. Philosophy is about what is and what should be. Science is about how it behaves.

Either way, the point is, Sanctissima, they concern different domains. Metaphysics is not fake quantum mechanics for non-physicists.