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375 top scientists warn of 'real, serious, climate threat"

Postby Imperial Union of America » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:37 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/sep/21/375-top-scientists-warn-of-real-serious-immediate-climate-threat

This situation is not unlike with the whole tobacco fiasco -- Tobacco companies wanted to keep knowledge of how tobacco causes cancer away from the public. They paid their own scientists to refute those claims and paid off the politicians.

we're seeing the same thing here from oil, auto and other related industries who want to keep their billions of dollars in profit. They have an interest in the status quo, and don't give a heck about the rest of us in society or the environment.

It's reaching a critical point -- ice is melting, animals are becoming extinct, people are being killed or injured by more frequent hurricanes, tornadoes and severe weather, we've had higher and higher average temperatures during all months.

These powerful interest groups have managed to recruit climate change deniers -- My senators here in Oklahoma, Jim Inhofe and James Lankford, are both climate change deniers. Probably as a result of Oklahoma's reliance on natural gas. This is similar in other states reliant on gas revenue , such as Alaska and Texas. States that tend Conservative.

I think it's horrible that Conservatives are being associated with anti-science and are opposing these well known scientific facts.


If we had the political will and invested the money, we would be able to easily replace our energy grid with 100% renewable energy by 2030. It would cost quite a bit of money, but the cost of renewable energy -- wind and solar, for example -- are quickly approaching parity with traditional sources of energy (Coal, natural gas, etc.) Several european countries have talked about moving towards banning petrol cars entirely.

the United States is unique in it's vast potential for renewable energy. Long costs for wind power and deserts for solar power, etc.

Citing stats from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, the report says the U.S. has the technical potential to meet its current electricity needs more than 100 times over with solar energy and more than 10 times over with wind energy. In addition, the report says the U.S. also has massive potential to save energy, citing estimates from the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy that the country can reduce its overall energy use by 40% to 60% below current levels by mid-century, even as the economy continues to grow.
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The report adds that economists predict the U.S. can build a 100% renewable energy system at costs comparable to or less than what the country would have to spend to continue its reliance on dirty energy. It also says the International Energy Agency estimates that limiting global warming to 2° C would require an additional investment of about 1% of global GDP per year. That investment would yield savings of more than $115 trillion on fuel by 2050 – a net savings of more than $70 trillion


*http://solarindustrymag.com/could-renewable-energy-supply-100-of-u-s-power

http://thesolutionsproject.org

How do you feel about global warming? How should we combat global warming? What is the best policies can we put in place to reach the goal of 100% renewable energy? Do you accept global warming? How would we finance such a movement?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:39 pm

Honestly?

Put our thumb on the scale internationally, so to speak, and let the market do the rest.

Carbon tax + renewable subsidy.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:52 pm

Galloism wrote:Honestly?

Put our thumb on the scale internationally, so to speak, and let the market do the rest.

Carbon tax + renewable subsidy.

Well, Gallo just said what I was going to say. Also, we should encourage everybody to accept global warming so they can contribute to reduce emissions, too.
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Postby Olivaero » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:54 pm

Tbh if you're a climate change denier at this point your anti-human. Or incredibly ignorant, possibly out of choice. Its been obvious for years that climate change is real, there is no sensible debate to be had on it really.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:54 pm

Galloism wrote:Honestly?

Put our thumb on the scale internationally, so to speak, and let the market do the rest.

Carbon tax + renewable subsidy.

Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

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Postby Suicune » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:56 pm

This is just so overwhelming I had no idea we had such a climate change problem.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:56 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Galloism wrote:Honestly?

Put our thumb on the scale internationally, so to speak, and let the market do the rest.

Carbon tax + renewable subsidy.

Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

Put our whole arm on the scale?
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:57 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Galloism wrote:Honestly?

Put our thumb on the scale internationally, so to speak, and let the market do the rest.

Carbon tax + renewable subsidy.

Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.


That's what i was thinking. We need billions of dollars infrastructure spending on new green energy plants. This needs to take place in a the next few decades, not in a century. Time is not on our side, and we have to act fast. The only way to do it is with massive government intervention, expenditure and investment.

Going from ~13-14% green energy to 100% in 15-20 years is not going to be cheap and it's going to take more than a couple subisidies. We need to gradually increase gas prices and then ban gas cars all together.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:58 pm

Galloism wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

Put our whole arm on the scale?


Both arms and push down.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:58 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Galloism wrote:Honestly?

Put our thumb on the scale internationally, so to speak, and let the market do the rest.

Carbon tax + renewable subsidy.

Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

What about those two policies won't work? It's just a starting point, but they're already working where they exist. California is on track to get down to 1990 emissions by 2020.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:00 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

What about those two policies won't work? It's just a starting point, but they're already working where they exist. California is on track to get down to 1990 emissions by 2020.



That's horrible. Do you know what emission standards were in 1990? we need 100% renewable by 2030-2040, in my opinion.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:02 pm

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:02 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

What about those two policies won't work? It's just a starting point, but they're already working where they exist. California is on track to get down to 1990 emissions by 2020.

That's hardly sufficient.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:02 pm

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What about those two policies won't work? It's just a starting point, but they're already working where they exist. California is on track to get down to 1990 emissions by 2020.



That's horrible. Do you know what emission standards were in 1990? we need 100% renewable by 2030-2040, in my opinion.

That's not horrible, it's good. It means that we can keep reducing greenhouse gas emissions with growing populations and economies. More governments need to take action.
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Postby Nusaresa » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:03 pm

Force the market to innovate for more eco friendly products and services, inform the public so that they may make better eco-friendly choices (also can become a driving force for companies to innovate), silence those that deny these facts if need be, impose both a taxation system AND a cap and trade system (cap and trade must be emphasized first and foremost), cut subsidies to petrol companies, and invest in nuclear energy to buy time.

In the meanwhile, there must be a swift yet gradual transition to renewable hydro, solar, wind, and tidal energy.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:05 pm

Wow, what a surprise. I thought Inhofe proved that theory wrong a while ago.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:06 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Galloism wrote:Honestly?

Put our thumb on the scale internationally, so to speak, and let the market do the rest.

Carbon tax + renewable subsidy.

Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

I think we should put the politicians and executives behind climate denial stuff in a Florida prison.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:06 pm

I suggest investing in football gear and gasoline, the apocalypse is upon us.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:07 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:I suggest investing in football gear and gasoline, the apocalypse is upon us.

I thought Mad Max was about lack of water not too much water.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:08 pm

I mean, were are we at on the whole clean energy thing? I heard something about uh, incubators I think they're called. Like these shared office spaces for green companies that are just taking off. Gives small starups a better chance and the businesses will ussualy share resources and ideas with one another. That seemed like a good idea.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:09 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:I suggest investing in football gear and gasoline, the apocalypse is upon us.

I thought Mad Max was about lack of water not too much water.

But Water World on the other hand
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Postby Pythagaslavia » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:11 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:I suggest investing in football gear and gasoline, the apocalypse is upon us.

Great idea. I'm not a climate change denier, don't get me wrong, but I think people are just over reacting a tiny bit to global warming. The climate of the earth is constantly changing, I has been fluctuating since we got an atmosphere. This episode of climate change is just like any other we've had, except know humans are starting to take notice and post on internet forums about it.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:11 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I mean, were are we at on the whole clean energy thing? I heard something about uh, incubators I think they're called. Like these shared office spaces for green companies that are just taking off. Gives small starups a better chance and the businesses will ussualy share resources and ideas with one another. That seemed like a good idea.

They'll be bought out by big Internal Combustion and Big Oil before they get successful and then eliminated. The solution is in a law that makes corporate executives legally bound to prison time for dangerous products that cause death if they know of stuff and don't take action.
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Postby Nusaresa » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:11 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Marvelous idea, by the time it works only half of florida will be underwater.

I think we should put the politicians and executives behind climate denial stuff in a Florida prison.

Heh.
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Communist Xomaniax wrote:I suggest investing in football gear and gasoline, the apocalypse is upon us.

I thought Mad Max was about lack of water not too much water.

Well some regions of the world would become Mad Max. Others become Water World.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:12 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:I thought Mad Max was about lack of water not too much water.

But Water World on the other hand

May still be highly inaccurate. I should buy a bunch of land near Yuma and wait for it to become oceanfront property.
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