by The Northern Chinese Provinces » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:11 pm
The Three Unknowns三不知
I do not know how many soldiers I have, how many friends I have, nor how many enemies I have.兵不知有多少,朋友不知有多少,敌人不知有多少。
by Nusaresa » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:17 pm
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Death by honorable child soldier is less humiliating than death by Antifa activist.
by Free People of the World » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:18 pm
Darjihad wrote:Libertarians want to fat-shame the government.
by The Remote Islands » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:29 pm
Mike the Progressive wrote:Usually when I do a hit of acid or coke, I avoid NS. But you didn't. Shows a lot of balls. I like that.
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:30 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:31 pm
Free People of the World wrote:Communist nonsense that resulted in thousands of people being killed for no reason other than so that Mao and his friends could get in power.
Yep, I'm a capitalist.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Cedoria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:32 pm
by The Remote Islands » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:36 pm
Pandeeria wrote:"Let's ignore all of the bat shit insane capitalist leaders and powers that committed horrible atrocities against various peoples throughout the ages, and instead shit on Communism because it's new and spooky."
Mike the Progressive wrote:Usually when I do a hit of acid or coke, I avoid NS. But you didn't. Shows a lot of balls. I like that.
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:38 pm
Nusaresa wrote:Boorish variant of Marxism that would make Marx turn in his grave.
I will give it praise in that it came very close to restructuring Chinese society, although the methods and the path it was going wasn't one worthy of any positive comment.
And for what? Modern China is almost the complete opposite once more.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:40 pm
The Remote Islands wrote:Pandeeria wrote:"Let's ignore all of the bat shit insane capitalist leaders and powers that committed horrible atrocities against various peoples throughout the ages, and instead shit on Communism because it's new and spooky."
To be fair, Mao is far from communism's poster boy now. Most communist parties that still exist (apart from the one in China itself that decided to become market capitalist) don't even seem to bother with him, as far as I can surmise.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Conserative Morality » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:41 pm
by The Northern Chinese Provinces » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:48 pm
The Three Unknowns三不知
I do not know how many soldiers I have, how many friends I have, nor how many enemies I have.兵不知有多少,朋友不知有多少,敌人不知有多少。
by The Remote Islands » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:48 pm
Pandeeria wrote:That's because he betrayed his own revolution and stomped on the ideals of freedom and equality, and that the Chinese revolution was an outgrowth the earlier Bolshevik (and at the time, Stalinist) Revolution.
That doesn't mean we should collectively discredit Communism.
Mike the Progressive wrote:Usually when I do a hit of acid or coke, I avoid NS. But you didn't. Shows a lot of balls. I like that.
by FelrikTheDeleted » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:48 pm
Pandeeria wrote:The Remote Islands wrote:
To be fair, Mao is far from communism's poster boy now. Most communist parties that still exist (apart from the one in China itself that decided to become market capitalist) don't even seem to bother with him, as far as I can surmise.
That's because he betrayed his own revolution and stomped on the ideals of freedom and equality, and that the Chinese revolution was an outgrowth the earlier Bolshevik (and at the time, Stalinist) Revolution.
That doesn't mean we should collectively discredit Communism.
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:54 pm
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
That's because he betrayed his own revolution and stomped on the ideals of freedom and equality, and that the Chinese revolution was an outgrowth the earlier Bolshevik (and at the time, Stalinist) Revolution.
That doesn't mean we should collectively discredit Communism.
Don't you regularly participate in collectively discrediting of Capitalism.
The Remote Islands wrote:Pandeeria wrote:That's because he betrayed his own revolution and stomped on the ideals of freedom and equality, and that the Chinese revolution was an outgrowth the earlier Bolshevik (and at the time, Stalinist) Revolution.
That doesn't mean we should collectively discredit Communism.
I'm curious whether there's an argument to be made if his revolution was really about freedom and equality or not. Plenty of people have implied as much about Leninism, and while I don't latch to the idea with the strength of an ardent capitalist, I can see it being the case.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by The Northern Chinese Provinces » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:55 pm
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
That's because he betrayed his own revolution and stomped on the ideals of freedom and equality, and that the Chinese revolution was an outgrowth the earlier Bolshevik (and at the time, Stalinist) Revolution.
That doesn't mean we should collectively discredit Communism.
Don't you regularly participate in collectively discrediting of Capitalism.
The Three Unknowns三不知
I do not know how many soldiers I have, how many friends I have, nor how many enemies I have.兵不知有多少,朋友不知有多少,敌人不知有多少。
by Freefall11111 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:56 pm
The Northern Chinese Provinces wrote:First question: What are your initial opinions on Maoism?
by The Northern Chinese Provinces » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:57 pm
The Three Unknowns三不知
I do not know how many soldiers I have, how many friends I have, nor how many enemies I have.兵不知有多少,朋友不知有多少,敌人不知有多少。
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:59 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by The Northern Chinese Provinces » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:02 pm
Pandeeria wrote:What are the basic tenets of Moaism that sets it apart from Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism?
The Three Unknowns三不知
I do not know how many soldiers I have, how many friends I have, nor how many enemies I have.兵不知有多少,朋友不知有多少,敌人不知有多少。
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:04 pm
The Northern Chinese Provinces wrote:Pandeeria wrote:What are the basic tenets of Moaism that sets it apart from Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism?
Mainly, it is that Maoism sees the peasants as the proletariat, not the actual working class. It works around this central theme, including within it some tenets of Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism at once, but all tailor-made for China alone.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by The Northern Chinese Provinces » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:07 pm
Pandeeria wrote:The Northern Chinese Provinces wrote:Mainly, it is that Maoism sees the peasants as the proletariat, not the actual working class. It works around this central theme, including within it some tenets of Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism at once, but all tailor-made for China alone.
What if I consider both the peasantry and industrial laborers apart of the working class?
The Three Unknowns三不知
I do not know how many soldiers I have, how many friends I have, nor how many enemies I have.兵不知有多少,朋友不知有多少,敌人不知有多少。
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:11 pm
The Northern Chinese Provinces wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
What if I consider both the peasantry and industrial laborers apart of the working class?
Then, in the Maoist sense, you are wrong.
I have truly not read enough of Mao to understand why exactly this is true, but I have a hunch that a less-than-socialist motive was underlying it: the peasantry, as the most oppressed class in China at the time, was more subject to the appeal of liberation than the rural landowners or industrial workers, who believed they had already found liberation in form of the Kuomintang.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Cedoria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:11 pm
The Northern Chinese Provinces wrote:Pandeeria wrote:What are the basic tenets of Moaism that sets it apart from Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism?
Mainly, it is that Maoism sees the peasants, not the working class, as the proletariat. It works around this central theme, including within it some tenets of Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism at once, but all tailor-made for China alone.
by Pandeeria » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:12 pm
Cedoria wrote:The Northern Chinese Provinces wrote:Mainly, it is that Maoism sees the peasants, not the working class, as the proletariat. It works around this central theme, including within it some tenets of Leninism, Stalinism, and Trotskyism at once, but all tailor-made for China alone.
Not really, it just argues that in pre-industrial societies, the peasants ARE the chief working class.
I can see the point of that idea, but then again, Marxist historical analysis predicates that society progresses in stages. Maoism attempts to leapfrog the capitalist stage that Marx thought essential and break feudalism down straight into socialism.
The result? Very bad things.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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