Disney Pulls Costume - "Cultural Misappropriation"

[Chessmistress]

Yes, and by speaking English and having tea, eating some traditional English foods, and so on, they're performing "cultural misappropriation" on a daily basis!

So you're saying that you think that someone who was born in England, raised in 'English' culture and who speaks English as their primary mode of communication but who happened to have ancestors who were born elsewhere isn't and cannot be English?

I'm saying they're performing "cultural misappropriation" by mocking people with true English heritage.
That's the logic behind "cultural misappropriation".

It leads to minorities being isolated, and being perceived as "annoying" by the powerful majority.

I foresee a tragedy if such trend continues and expand.

[Balkenreich]

So you're saying that you think that someone who was born in England, raised in 'English' culture and who speaks English as their primary mode of communication but who happened to have ancestors who were born elsewhere isn't and cannot be English?

I'm saying they're performing "cultural misappropriation" by mocking people with true English heritage.
That's the logic behind "cultural misappropriation".

It leads to minorities being isolated, and being perceived as "annoying" by the powerful majority.

I foresee a tragedy if such trend continues and expand.

You foresee a lot of things.

[Killdash]

Perhaps not, but what about immigrants?

If you embrace the culture you're living in as part of your own, it's not appropriation. The distinction here is that by wearing the costume you are not engaging with Polynesian culture respectfully - you're wearing sacred symbols and their skin colour as part of a costume for a holiday that will be worn once and forgotten.

And what's my comeuppance? I had someone call me "false" and trying to "be black" because I happen to have a song by the South African artist Mandoza on my phone. I'm born and raised here, (I'm white) but somehow this isn't my heritage?

See above. Respectful engagement with a culture is not the problem here.

Doesn't matter, according to "SJW's" (A word I don't use often) if you're not of the right skin colour, its cultural appropriation.
After all they were the ones who popularised the term.

Again, see above. Appropriation is taking another culture's artifacts or what have you and not engaging them with respect, particularly if it's for someone's expedience, to make money or something equally frivolous.

I understand that. But two points. One: No ones actually claimed that the tattoos represented are actually sacred. It's not in the article, and I don't know if Disney would overlook that. It's possible they are just meaningless wiggles. I don't know. Two: Where do you draw the line, then?

[MERIZoC]

Er, in fairness, almost all of the main cast are polynesian, as are some of the writers.

Really?
That's even worse!
The pratice of making movies is a non-Polynesian thing: Hollywood wasn't in Polynesia last time I checked.
Polynesians mocking California's greatest symbol, Californians should get offensed!

They are also speaking English within the movie, that isn't their language..."cultural misappropriation", again.


See?
On such basis Disney should give up to the whole movie.
And Polynesians should apologise for "cultural misappropriation": making movies isn't within their cultural heritage.

That's why I reject the whole idea.
It totally lacks logical basis, and also practical goals: it's meant for annoying people.
At the end the annoyed people will react and they'll hurt the people who are annoying them.
There is nothing good to get from annoying people without having clear goals to reach.

I'm rather sure that the film making industry has never been a marginalized group. You are making absurd statements with no attempt at reasonable discussion.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

I'm saying they're performing "cultural misappropriation" by mocking people with true English heritage.
That's the logic behind "cultural misappropriation".

For the third time, appropriation refers to when someone engages with some aspect of another culture without respect for that culture. Drinking tea and enjoying English tea culture earnestly is not appropriation. Neither is learning and speaking English when you use it to connect with English-speaking people and their culture.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I didn't think that progressives would accuse Disney of racism since Disney is a progressive company in itself. They are totally against any form of minority discrimination.

That is a recent development.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Perhaps not, but what about immigrants?

If you embrace the culture you're living in as part of your own, it's not appropriation. The distinction here is that by wearing the costume you are not engaging with Polynesian culture respectfully - you're wearing sacred symbols and their skin colour as part of a costume for a non-Polynesian holiday that will be worn once and forgotten.

And what's my comeuppance? I had someone call me "false" and trying to "be black" because I happen to have a song by the South African artist Mandoza on my phone. I'm born and raised here, (I'm white) but somehow this isn't my heritage?

See above. Respectful engagement with a culture is not the problem here.

Doesn't matter, according to "SJW's" (A word I don't use often) if you're not of the right skin colour, its cultural appropriation.
After all they were the ones who popularised the term.

Again, see above. Appropriation is taking another culture's artifacts or what have you and not engaging them with respect, particularly if it's for someone's expedience, to make money or something equally frivolous.

The English language is a old language, a relict from hundreds of years ago that's still in use today, when people missuse this language that could be considered cultural appropriation, if they're not English.

[Polar Svalbard]

I didn't think that progressives would accuse Disney of racism since Disney is a progressive company in itself. They are totally against any form of minority discrimination.

Gotta find someone to rally against whenever we get bored, even if they make an effort to include tons of races, make commercials about empowering women, empowering black people, naw, gotta fight 'em, put out one costume, and they're evil.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I'm saying they're performing "cultural misappropriation" by mocking people with true English heritage.
That's the logic behind "cultural misappropriation".

For the third time, appropriation refers to when someone engages with some aspect of another culture without respect for that culture. Drinking tea and enjoying English tea culture earnestly is not appropriation. Neither is learning and speaking English when you use it to connect with English-speaking people and their culture.

Misusing the language could be considered cultural appropriation because ultimately they're not using it correctly.

[Killdash]

I'm saying they're performing "cultural misappropriation" by mocking people with true English heritage.
That's the logic behind "cultural misappropriation".

For the third time, appropriation refers to when someone engages with some aspect of another culture without respect for that culture. Drinking tea and enjoying English tea culture earnestly is not appropriation. Neither is learning and speaking English when you use it to connect with English-speaking people and their culture.

But define frivolous? There was a case in the US, I believe, about dreadlocks on white girls, and I believe their motive was that they looked "cool". Arguably, that's a pretty frivolous reason.

[Chessmistress]

I'm rather sure that the film making industry has never been a marginalized group. You are making absurd statements with no attempt at reasonable discussion.

No, you're labelling it as "absurd" because you havent't worthy arguments to oppose.

Hollywood is much more than "the film making industry", is a symbol of California, worldwide recognised as such.
Disrespecting California is a good thing, why?

See?
There cannot be reasonable discussion because the idea behind "cultural misappropriation" isn't reasonable.

And it's very harmful for the very people that is supposed to protect.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

I understand that. But two points. One: No ones actually claimed that the tattoos represented are actually sacred. It's not in the article, and I don't know if Disney would overlook that.It's possible they are just meaningless wiggles. I don't know.

They overlooked brownface. And nope.

Two: Where do you draw the line, then?

At being respectful?

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

For the third time, appropriation refers to when someone engages with some aspect of another culture without respect for that culture. Drinking tea and enjoying English tea culture earnestly is not appropriation. Neither is learning and speaking English when you use it to connect with English-speaking people and their culture.

Misusing the language could be considered cultural appropriation because ultimately they're not using it correctly.

Earnest mistakes are not disrespect.

But define frivolous? There was a case in the US, I believe, about dreadlocks on white girls, and I believe their motive was that they looked "cool". Arguably, that's a pretty frivolous reason.

Yeah, that's disrespectful use.

[MERIZoC]

I didn't think that progressives would accuse Disney of racism since Disney is a progressive company in itself. They are totally against any form of minority discrimination.

Disney. Progressive. Lol
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13338

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I'm rather sure that the film making industry has never been a marginalized group. You are making absurd statements with no attempt at reasonable discussion.

No, you're labelling it as "absurd" because you havent't worthy arguments to oppose.

Hollywood is much more than "the film making industry", is a symbol of California, worldwide recognised as such.
Disrespecting California is a good thing, why?

See?
There cannot be reasonable discussion because the idea behind "cultural misappropriation" isn't reasonable.

And it's very harmful for the very people that is supposed to protect.

It in-stills a sense that those minorities are nothing but whiners, from my experience.

[MERIZoC]

I'm rather sure that the film making industry has never been a marginalized group. You are making absurd statements with no attempt at reasonable discussion.

No, you're labelling it as "absurd" because you havent't worthy arguments to oppose.

Hollywood is much more than "the film making industry", is a symbol of California, worldwide recognised as such.
Disrespecting California is a good thing, why?

See?
There cannot be reasonable discussion because the idea behind "cultural misappropriation" isn't reasonable.

And it's very harmful for the very people that is supposed to protect.

I fail to see how engaging in an industry constitutes disrespecting the state in which said industry is most influential.

[Chessmistress]

For the third time, appropriation refers to when someone engages with some aspect of another culture without respect for that culture. Drinking tea and enjoying English tea culture earnestly is not appropriation. Neither is learning and speaking English when you use it to connect with English-speaking people and their culture.

The boundaries of what is "disrespect" are defined by the people who are being "disrespected", or by the majority.
In such case, the two are the same.

You got it now?

It's just a matter of time before such thing will turn against the very minorities that is supposed to protect.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Misusing the language could be considered cultural appropriation because ultimately they're not using it correctly.

Earnest mistakes are not disrespect.

But define frivolous? There was a case in the US, I believe, about dreadlocks on white girls, and I believe their motive was that they looked "cool". Arguably, that's a pretty frivolous reason.

Yeah, that's disrespectful use.

There is purposeful misuse of the language, for example when someone reduces a sentence to a word, an example being "YOLO", some might consider that disrespectful.

This also brings another concern to the table, what people see as disrespectful is subjective, one person of that culture may see it as offensive, while another may see it as OK to do.

[Genivaria]

Yeah, gotta keep the Sultan in a good mood!

She's probably assimilated into white culture enough to get a pass.

Pocahontas.

She's dead.

[Chessmistress]

No, you're labelling it as "absurd" because you havent't worthy arguments to oppose.

Hollywood is much more than "the film making industry", is a symbol of California, worldwide recognised as such.
Disrespecting California is a good thing, why?

See?
There cannot be reasonable discussion because the idea behind "cultural misappropriation" isn't reasonable.

And it's very harmful for the very people that is supposed to protect.

I fail to see how engaging in an industry constitutes disrespecting the state in which said industry is most influential.

It's not that "you don't see".
You are just avoiding the fact that Hollywood is a symbol of California, because that would wreck your "theory".
Don't worry: there's nothing to wreck, your theory is self-wrecking, it totally lack logical basis.
And it does a great disservice to the very people that is supposed to protect.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Pocahontas.

She's dead.

She appropriated European disease.

[New Edom]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/disney-pulls-boys-costume-critics-lambasted-as-polyface/ar-BBwstd1?OCID=ansmsnnews11


In recent news, Disney has pulled a children's costume from the upcoming film "Moana" over complaints of "cultural misappropriation".

In my opinion, it's ridiculous that child cannot even wear a costume depicting someone of another ethnicity, lest someone find it mildly offensive. If they had made the costume white, there would have been cries of racism. If they didn't make movies about other cultures, they'd be racist. What is Disney supposed to do?


Anyways, what does NSG think? Was Disney right in pulling the costume? Were the ones making the complainants justified? Does cultural misappropriation even exist?

I think that for a season people should never wear non-European styles of clothing at all, or perhaps just dress generically all the time. I think that people should not eat foreign foods, wear foreign clothes or buy foreign goods for a while. Let's see how they like that. Keep it simple. I also think that it would be a good idea not to show much interest either. If they want segregation, let them have it.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

There is purposeful misuse of the language, for example when someone reduces a sentence to a word, an example being "YOLO", some might consider that disrespectful.

Why is turning something into an acronym a sign of disrespect?

This also brings another concern to the table, what people see as disrespectful is subjective, one person of that culture may see it as offensive, while another may see it as OK to do.

Like what?

[Esternial]

Sure, but what about indian (native American) costumes?

Excempt because they're such a staple in our society?

[Killdash]

I understand that. But two points. One: No ones actually claimed that the tattoos represented are actually sacred. It's not in the article, and I don't know if Disney would overlook that.It's possible they are just meaningless wiggles. I don't know.

They overlooked brownface. And nope.

Two: Where do you draw the line, then?

At being respectful?

Yes?