The Two Jerseys wrote:"...so Mickey Mouse hung a 'whites only' sign on the gate to Cinderella Castle, and the Disney Princesses all lived happily ever after! Except for Tiana, they threw her out on her ass...THE END."
You forgot Mulan.
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by Genivaria » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:44 pm
The Two Jerseys wrote:"...so Mickey Mouse hung a 'whites only' sign on the gate to Cinderella Castle, and the Disney Princesses all lived happily ever after! Except for Tiana, they threw her out on her ass...THE END."
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:46 pm
Community Values wrote:Remember kids, only oppressors can appropriate culture.
Makes me think, are the Borg appropriating alien cultures?
by Impireacht » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:50 pm
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:Impireacht wrote:1. Yeah, a kid wearing a costume of a character he admires is definitely equivalent to people putting on blackface to mock black people.
When it involves putting on a darker skin-coloured suit to imitate a shirtless character's skin tone yeah it's kind of in the same league.Impireacht wrote:2. That's what I was saying. Yup. So, what color is Disney supposed to make the costume to make everyone happy lol?
How about just not make the costume if it's not feasible to do it properly? Not every character is easily translatable into a good costume.Impireacht wrote:3. Alright. I guess when Halloween comes around, I should go out and tell every non-white child dressed up as Harry Potter I see that they're "the wrong ethnicity" and "they're misappropriating British culture"... good point there.
AFAIK, beyond black hair and green eyes Harry Potter's ethnicity was never specified.
by Chessmistress » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:51 pm
by Killdash » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:54 pm
by Austria and Bavaria » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:55 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Austria and Bavaria wrote:Welcome to corporate America, where ethnic values are treated like crap. It is not racist in anyway, because it's a universal problem. It's just that you only get outcry when it's a non-white group. As I mentioned above, businesses have turned this into this. They also seem to think Irish dress like this and that Scots look like this.
It's disgusting, it's insensitive, and it truly should stop. But it should apply to all Ethnic groups, not just a select few.
Insensitive, sure, but do you actually find it disgusting? Seems like a bit too strong a word. Appropriation of culture is something that has always happened, for as long as different cultures have interacted with each other. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:00 pm
Impireacht wrote:1. I assume it'd be fine if we had a bunch of kids running around naked save for a grass skirt and tatoos painted on then, instead of the costume, since then it's not imitating the skin tone. What the hell were they supposed to do for the character's costume?
Impireacht wrote:2. Not make the costume for the Polynesian hero... but for every other main character in every Disney movie ever. Just because some white kid might wear the outfit when it isn't their skin tone.
Impireacht wrote:I guess they shouldn't have made Frozen costumes either because some little black girl who admires Elsa might try to culturally misappropriate Scandinavian culture.
Impireacht wrote:3. He literally lives in Surrey, England. Look ot up. He's definitely white. Sounds British to me.
by Occupied Deutschland » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:01 pm
by Chessmistress » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:03 pm
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:Do people of African or Asian or whatever descent not live in England or something?
by MERIZoC » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:03 pm
Chessmistress wrote:Technically speaking, even the whole movie would be "cultural misappropriation", since the writers of the plot, and most the cast, aren't polynesians.
Technically speaking, all people with non-English heritage in USA, speaking English, are performing "cultural misappropriation" on a daily basis by simply speaking English.
Also all the people who speak foreign languages are perfoming "cultural misappropriation".
That's why I think that the idea of "cultural misappropriation" should be totally rejected.
I think that Disney, acting in a very stupid way in such case, deserve to lose the earnings from such merchandise.
Just my two cents, as they say in USA: even that's "cultural misappropriation", of course just like the fact that I'm actually writing in English...
by The Two Jerseys » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:06 pm
Genivaria wrote:You forgot Mulan.
by Killdash » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:08 pm
Chessmistress wrote:Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:Do people of African or Asian or whatever descent not live in England or something?
Yes, and by speaking English and having tea, eating some traditional English foods, and so on, they're performing "cultural misappropriation" on a daily basis!
Do you really don't see the dangers within such attitude of crying "cultural misappropriation"?
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:08 pm
Chessmistress wrote:Yes, and by speaking English and having tea, eating some traditional English foods, and so on, they're performing "cultural misappropriation" on a daily basis!
by Killdash » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:09 pm
by Balkenreich » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:11 pm
by Chessmistress » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:12 pm
Merizoc wrote:Chessmistress wrote:Technically speaking, even the whole movie would be "cultural misappropriation", since the writers of the plot, and most the cast, aren't polynesians.
Technically speaking, all people with non-English heritage in USA, speaking English, are performing "cultural misappropriation" on a daily basis by simply speaking English.
Also all the people who speak foreign languages are perfoming "cultural misappropriation".
That's why I think that the idea of "cultural misappropriation" should be totally rejected.
I think that Disney, acting in a very stupid way in such case, deserve to lose the earnings from such merchandise.
Just my two cents, as they say in USA: even that's "cultural misappropriation", of course just like the fact that I'm actually writing in English...
Er, in fairness, almost all of the main cast are polynesian, as are some of the writers.
by Gauthier » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:12 pm
by Killdash » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:12 pm
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:Chessmistress wrote:Yes, and by speaking English and having tea, eating some traditional English foods, and so on, they're performing "cultural misappropriation" on a daily basis!
So you're saying that you think that someone who was born in England, raised in 'English' culture and who speaks English as their primary mode of communication but who happened to have ancestors who were born elsewhere isn't and cannot be English?
by FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:13 pm
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:Chessmistress wrote:Yes, and by speaking English and having tea, eating some traditional English foods, and so on, they're performing "cultural misappropriation" on a daily basis!
So you're saying that you think that someone who was born in England, raised in 'English' culture and who speaks English as their primary mode of communication but who happened to have ancestors who were born elsewhere isn't and cannot be English?
by Balkenreich » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:13 pm
by The Two Jerseys » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:16 pm
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:17 pm
by Killdash » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:18 pm
Chessmistress wrote:Merizoc wrote:Er, in fairness, almost all of the main cast are polynesian, as are some of the writers.
Really?
That's even worse!
The pratice of making movies is a non-Polynesian thing: Hollywood wasn't in Polynesia last time I checked.
Polynesians mocking California's greatest symbol, Californians should get offensed!
They are also speaking English within the movie, that isn't their language..."cultural misappropriation", again.
See?
On such basis Disney should give up to the whole movie.
And Polynesians should apologise for "cultural misappropriation": making movies isn't within their cultural heritage.
That's why I reject the whole idea.
It totally lacks logical basis, and also practical goals: it's meant for annoying people.
At the end the annoyed people will react and they'll hurt the people who are annoying them.
There is nothing good to get from annoying people without having clear goals to reach.
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:18 pm
Killdash wrote:Perhaps not, but what about immigrants?
Killdash wrote:And what's my comeuppance? I had someone call me "false" and trying to "be black" because I happen to have a song by the South African artist Mandoza on my phone. I'm born and raised here, (I'm white) but somehow this isn't my heritage?
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Doesn't matter, according to "SJW's" (A word I don't use often) if you're not of the right skin colour, its cultural appropriation.
After all they were the ones who popularised the term.
by Polar Svalbard » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:20 pm
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