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Postby Purpelia » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:21 pm

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Purpelia wrote:And how is that any reason to be upset? After all its how everyone treats every culture.

I disagree with the assertion that its how everyone treats every culture, but its reason to be upset because their culture and heritage is important to them, and misrepresenting that, especially for monetary gain, is definitely something they would want to prevent.

I am not saying they don't have a right to feel upset. I am saying that their emotional response is not in line with reality and that thus they do not have a genuine grievance.
Thus they have a right to feel that way but not a right to expect anyone to accommodate their feelings.
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Postby Wildhawk » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:21 pm

It seems like a pretty tacky costume idea. The skin-colour-as-a-costume thing has always seemed pretty tasteless to me and if the tattoos have a legitimate sacred meaning then it seems pretty rude to make a costume around it.

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Unless you also live in an isolated community on the edge of the known world, name your most prized weapon, write sagas rivaling those of Homer, send expeditions into Canada, Russia, and the Middle East, and grant women unprecedented levels of freedom for your time, you are culturally misappropriating Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.


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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:26 pm

So now Disney's on the PC train?

Great...
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:31 pm

"...so Mickey Mouse hung a 'whites only' sign on the gate to Cinderella Castle, and the Disney Princesses all lived happily ever after! Except for Tiana, they threw her out on her ass...THE END."
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:34 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:"...so Mickey Mouse hung a 'whites only' sign on the gate to Cinderella Castle, and the Disney Princesses all lived happily ever after! Except for Tiana, they threw her out on her ass...THE END."

You racist pig! Jasmine's a princess, too!

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:34 pm

Merizoc wrote:Whoever decided the costume was a good idea was an idiot.


Well, far as I hear, whoever decided to depict Maui that way was an idiot.

Dwayne Johnson was the one who decided how to Depict Maui.
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Postby Austria and Bavaria » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:39 pm

Pantuxia wrote:So now Disney's on the PC train?

Great...


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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:44 pm

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Herskerstad wrote:Silly Disney, do they not know that only western culture is universal?


I had no idea people dressing in western costumes used white face! :o


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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:45 pm

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The Two Jerseys wrote:"...so Mickey Mouse hung a 'whites only' sign on the gate to Cinderella Castle, and the Disney Princesses all lived happily ever after! Except for Tiana, they threw her out on her ass...THE END."

You racist pig! Jasmine's a princess, too!

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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:50 pm

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Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:...Not make a costume where pretending to be another ethnicity is a necessary part of wearing it?

Next time a Disney character wears a tie, expect Croatians to be pissed and whine about Disney making costumes where non-Croatians pretend to be Croatians by the mere act of wearing a tie.

But I want to be Emperor Hadrian for Halloween. :(

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Postby Imperial Union of America » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:52 pm

Suits were invented by Europeans during the victorian era/industrial revolution in the 18th century.

Is every black guy in a suit culturally misappropriating me?

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Fucking pig, stop culturally appropriating my people!
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Postby Impireacht » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:03 pm

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Impireacht wrote:In recent news, Disney has pulled a children's costume from the upcoming film "Moana" over complaints of "cultural misappropriation".


And the whole 'it's kinda blackface-esque' thing. Don't forget that in your urge to get your anti-PC point scoring.

Impireacht wrote:In my opinion, it's ridiculous that child cannot even wear a costume depicting someone of another ethnicity, lest someone find it mildly offensive. If they had made the costume white, there would have been cries of racism.


Yeah. If they had made a costume of a Polynesian character look white, that probably would have been a bit racist.

Impireacht wrote:If they didn't make movies about other cultures, they'd be racist. What is Disney supposed to do?


...Not make a costume where pretending to be another ethnicity is a necessary part of wearing it?

1. Yeah, a kid wearing a costume of a character he admires is definitely equivalent to people putting on blackface to mock black people.

2. That's what I was saying. Yup. So, what color is Disney supposed to make the costume to make everyone happy lol?

3. Alright. I guess when Halloween comes around, I should go out and tell every non-white child dressed up as Harry Potter I see that they're "the wrong ethnicity" and "they're misappropriating British culture"... good point there.

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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:04 pm

I don't get what the deal is with the costume.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:05 pm

How many kids have worn Alladin costumes? It's whatever, really
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:06 pm

Jamzmania wrote:I don't get what the deal is with the costume.

My whole thing with this type of stuff is; "Don't know, don't care". Bill Maher did a good segment on this type of stuff once.
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:23 pm

Impireacht wrote:1. Yeah, a kid wearing a costume of a character he admires is definitely equivalent to people putting on blackface to mock black people.


When it involves putting on a darker skin-coloured suit to imitate a shirtless character's skin tone yeah it's kind of in the same league.

Impireacht wrote:2. That's what I was saying. Yup. So, what color is Disney supposed to make the costume to make everyone happy lol?


How about just not make the costume if it's not feasible to do it properly? Not every character is easily translatable into a good costume.

Impireacht wrote:3. Alright. I guess when Halloween comes around, I should go out and tell every non-white child dressed up as Harry Potter I see that they're "the wrong ethnicity" and "they're misappropriating British culture"... good point there.


AFAIK, beyond black hair and green eyes Harry Potter's ethnicity was never specified.
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Postby Community Values » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:29 pm

Remember kids, only oppressors can appropriate culture.

Makes me think, are the Borg appropriating alien cultures?
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:30 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:How many kids have worn Alladin costumes? It's whatever, really


Do note that if you google 'Aladdin costume kids', you get a selection of costumes that are basically a vest, pants and a fez. None of them try to imitate Aladdin's skin tone, which is the problem here.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:36 pm

Caring about how one's culture is depicted in mass media should be banned. It's the only way to keep PC from going mad.
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:37 pm

Community Values wrote:Remember kids, only oppressors can appropriate culture.

Makes me think, are the Borg appropriating alien cultures?

This has to be the most self-evident question ever asked about anything.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:38 pm

Austria and Bavaria wrote:Welcome to corporate America, where ethnic values are treated like crap. It is not racist in anyway, because it's a universal problem. It's just that you only get outcry when it's a non-white group. As I mentioned above, businesses have turned this into this. They also seem to think Irish dress like this and that Scots look like this.

It's disgusting, it's insensitive, and it truly should stop. But it should apply to all Ethnic groups, not just a select few.

Insensitive, sure, but do you actually find it disgusting? Seems like a bit too strong a word. Appropriation of culture is something that has always happened, for as long as different cultures have interacted with each other. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.

Imperial Union of America wrote:Suits were invented by Europeans during the victorian era/industrial revolution in the 18th century.

Is every black guy in a suit culturally misappropriating me?

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Fucking pig, stop culturally appropriating my people!

Try to understand their point. In the West, people of colour including black and Pacific Islander people, have been subjugated and oppressed for centuries. There are still massive obstacles to people of colour, massive societal problems, that white people do not face. White people hold the position of power, still. White people have imposed 'white' dress on to those we subjugated; no one would take a black businessman that seriously if he were to wear any sort of traditional dress. So, it must be hurtful and annoying when white people show no respect for culture, merely dressing with aspects of it they find appealing. The idea of cultural (mis)appropriation is not a viewpoint I agree with, but I do think it's understandable.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:38 pm

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:How many kids have worn Alladin costumes? It's whatever, really


Do note that if you google 'Aladdin costume kids', you get a selection of costumes that are basically a vest, pants and a fez. None of them try to imitate Aladdin's skin tone, which is the problem here.

Well Aladdin doesn't have full-body tattoos, so there is no need for it.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:42 pm

The costume's odd in the first place. It's like you're wearing someone else's skin.
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:43 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Do note that if you google 'Aladdin costume kids', you get a selection of costumes that are basically a vest, pants and a fez. None of them try to imitate Aladdin's skin tone, which is the problem here.

Well Aladdin doesn't have full-body tattoos, so there is no need for it.


Yep. And so it's hard to make a good costume out of it. Doubly so for children. Which is one reason why it shouldn't have been made in the first place.
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