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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:26 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
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What's wrong with trying to inject a bit of levity into the thread?


Nothing, I was just wondering why you always seem to respond to things with sarcasm.


Because a call for bloody crackdown from a self proclaimed fascist should be regarded with respect.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:28 am

Gauthier wrote:
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Nothing, I was just wondering why you always seem to respond to things with sarcasm.


Because a call for bloody crackdown from a self proclaimed fascist should be regarded with respect.


I wasn't addressing that, I was asking why she engages conversation with sarcasm all the time, at least from what I've seen.
I could really care less.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:32 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because a call for bloody crackdown from a self proclaimed fascist should be regarded with respect.


I wasn't addressing that, I was asking why she engages conversation with sarcasm all the time, at least from what I've seen.
I could really care less.


Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:34 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
I wasn't addressing that, I was asking why she engages conversation with sarcasm all the time, at least from what I've seen.
I could really care less.


Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.


Give me an opinion worth criticising then.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:35 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
I wasn't addressing that, I was asking why she engages conversation with sarcasm all the time, at least from what I've seen.
I could really care less.

Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.

Hardly. Sarcasm is the highest expression of intellect.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:39 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.

Hardly. Sarcasm is the highest expression of intellect.


No, it's an intellectually lazy response to an argument you don't feel is worth responding to. it's dismissive.

I think you're confusing sarcasm with wit.

Wit is the highest expression of intellect, Sarcasm is the highest expression of contempt and derision.
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.


Give me an opinion worth criticising then.

Probably most, tbh.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:42 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
I wasn't addressing that, I was asking why she engages conversation with sarcasm all the time, at least from what I've seen.
I could really care less.


Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.

Vassenor's sarcasm stems from the fact she believes anyone who doesn't think like her or agree on everything she says must be inherently stupid.

Minzerland II wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Give me an opinion worth criticising then.

Probably most, tbh.

And there you have it. 'Give me an opinion close enough to my views so it is at least respectable in my view'.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:45 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.

Vassenor's sarcasm stems from the fact she believes anyone who doesn't think like her or agree on everything she says must be inherently stupid.

Minzerland II wrote:Probably most, tbh.

And there you have it. 'Give me an opinion close enough to my views so it is at least respectable in my view'.


Contempt and derision, it is, then.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:51 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
Sarcasm is a way to criticize an opinion without actually responding to it.

It's intellectually lazy, but It's easy.

Vassenor's sarcasm stems from the fact she believes anyone who doesn't think like her or agree on everything she says must be inherently stupid.

Minzerland II wrote:Probably most, tbh.

And there you have it. 'Give me an opinion close enough to my views so it is at least respectable in my view'.


...I think that scarecrow might be about to burst. You should probably stop stuffing it.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:54 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Hardly. Sarcasm is the highest expression of intellect.

No, it's an intellectually lazy response to an argument you don't feel is worth responding to. it's dismissive.

I think you're confusing sarcasm with wit.

Wit is the highest expression of intellect, Sarcasm is the highest expression of contempt and derision.

Whatever floats your boat. You see, Vassenor has given up on trying to discuss things seriously with you, as your posts demonstrate that you disagree that there should be any basic human rights to begin with. She cannot find a sufficient premise that you will both agree on from which to begin a discussion. Therefore, for her, talking with you about a specific problem such as the one surrounding the topic of this thread cannot really be done seriously.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:57 am

It's likely time for people to start putting others on ignore if they don't see the point in discussing things with them, so that the topic at hand can once again be addressed.

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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:57 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:No, it's an intellectually lazy response to an argument you don't feel is worth responding to. it's dismissive.

I think you're confusing sarcasm with wit.

Wit is the highest expression of intellect, Sarcasm is the highest expression of contempt and derision.

Whatever floats your boat. You see, Vassenor has given up on trying to discuss things seriously with you, as your posts demonstrate that you disagree that there should be any basic human rights to begin with. She cannot find a sufficient premise that you will both agree on from which to begin a discussion. Therefore, for her, talking with you about a specific problem such as the one surrounding the topic of this thread cannot really be done seriously.

Wouldn't Vassenor just cease communications with Imperial Union of America?


Anywho, we better stop before we have ourselves smashed with the banhammer or something of the like, metaphorically.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:02 am

In any case I do not see any convincing argument for those people having their right to protest being taken away.

Yes, those that commit crimes in the process should be punished, but forming an angry mob along the "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" lines is just going too far into indulging white nationalist power fantasies. Doubly so when you start talking about the atavism of the African-American like it's the 1840s or something.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:02 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It's likely time for people to start putting others on ignore if they don't see the point in discussing things with them, so that the topic at hand can once again be addressed.


I agree. If vassenor does not which to discuss with me, he is free to ignore me. But it would be preferable for him to argue that human rights and democracy is preferable, as opposed to just responding to my point that authoritarianism is more effective with single sentence sarcastic responses.

Vassenor wrote:In any case I do not see any convincing argument for those people having their right to protest being taken away.

Yes, those that commit crimes in the process should be punished, but forming an angry mob along the "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" lines is just going too far into indulging white nationalist power fantasies. Doubly so when you start talking about the atavism of the African-American like it's the 1840s or something.



I don't want to kill them. Just deport them, i think our society would be better that way. Hard to riot over 'black lives' when there are no black people around to protest.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:05 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It's likely time for people to start putting others on ignore if they don't see the point in discussing things with them, so that the topic at hand can once again be addressed.


I agree. If vassenor does not which to discuss with me, he is free to ignore me. But it would be preferable for him to argue that human rights and democracy is preferable, as opposed to just responding to my point that authoritarianism is more effective with single sentence sarcastic responses.


If you find no value in her responses, then that is what the ignore function is for. Use it.

Right now would be a good time for you to drop it and move on.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:08 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:I don't want to kill them. Just deport them, i think our society would be better that way. Hard to riot over 'black lives' when there are no black people around to protest.


Did Ethnic cleansing stop being a crime against humanity while I wasn't looking?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:08 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
I agree. If vassenor does not which to discuss with me, he is free to ignore me. But it would be preferable for him to argue that human rights and democracy is preferable, as opposed to just responding to my point that authoritarianism is more effective with single sentence sarcastic responses.


If you find no value in his responses, then that is what the ignore function is for. Use it.

Right now would be a good time for you to drop it and move on.



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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
If you find no value in his responses, then that is what the ignore function is for. Use it.

Right now would be a good time for you to drop it and move on.



Her.


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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:I don't want to kill them. Just deport them, i think our society would be better that way. Hard to riot over 'black lives' when there are no black people around to protest.


Did Ethnic cleansing stop being a crime against humanity while I wasn't looking?

People who advocate for ethnic cleansing purportedly don't care whether it is a crime against humanity or not.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:13 am

Vassenor wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:I don't want to kill them. Just deport them, i think our society would be better that way. Hard to riot over 'black lives' when there are no black people around to protest.


Did Ethnic cleansing stop being a crime against humanity while I wasn't looking?


No. But this isn't ethnic cleansing in the historically negative sense.

Vassenor wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
If you find no value in his responses, then that is what the ignore function is for. Use it.

Right now would be a good time for you to drop it and move on.



Her.


I use male pronouns for everyone on the forums, regardless of real life gender.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:16 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Did Ethnic cleansing stop being a crime against humanity while I wasn't looking?


No. But this isn't ethnic cleansing in the historically negative sense.


ethnic cleansing
noun
noun: ethnic cleansing
the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.


I'd say it is.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:16 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Did Ethnic cleansing stop being a crime against humanity while I wasn't looking?


No. But this isn't ethnic cleansing in the historically negative sense.

Vassenor wrote:

Her.


I use male pronouns for everyone on the forums, regardless of real life gender.


Then it's likely that you will eventually be warned for intentional misgendering. Don't do that.

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Postby Imperial Union of America » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:18 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
No. But this isn't ethnic cleansing in the historically negative sense.



I use male pronouns for everyone on the forums, regardless of real life gender.


Then it's likely that you will eventually be warned for intentional misgendering. Don't do that.


Is it intentional misgendering if i use it generically?

must i compile a list of all users and their preferred pronouns lest i run afoul of that rule?

God knows i'll remember today and forget tommorow and end up resorting to my generic male pronouns that i use for all forum members, and get in trouble just because i had forgotten. It's rather ridiculous and unwieldy an expectation.

I've been referred to as 'ma'am' or 'her', but i am comfortable with who i am, so i do not expect others who can not see me to assume my gender and conform to my preferred pronouns.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:19 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Then it's likely that you will eventually be warned for intentional misgendering. Don't do that.


Is it intentional misgendering if i use it generically?


If you are aware of the gender of the person you are speaking to, and intentionally use a different one, then yes.

Now move on.

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