Unarmed Black Individual Shot by Tulsa PD

[Imperial Union of America]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tulsa-police-release-dashcam-video-fatal-shooting-42192589

Here we go again. A black man has been shot by Tulsa PD for refusing to show his hands. Clearly, the police were acting in self-defense, but this could spiral out of control into a fergeson type situation. Hopefully not. These sorts of 'media' reports are getting out of hand, and we shouldn't tolerate media outlets releasing these sorts of incendiary reports. They also caused shit during the Zimmerman trial, and spread fabrications and lies(for which they were sued.)

Hopefully the grand jury declines to press charges soon.

Do you feel that this shooting was justified? Do you think there will be riots in the street soon? How do you feel this is going to pan out?

[Galloism]

I reserve judgement for a later date, but this jumps out at me:

where he drops to the ground after being shocked with a stun gun then fatally shot.

What does that mean? Was hit hit with a taser which dropped him to the ground, then they shot him, or was he hit with the taser, didn't go down, was then shot, and went down?

[Eol Sha]

I disagree. The media should be allowed to show dashcam footage to the public. It's their job.

Hopefully, the investigation is done fairly.

[Imperial Union of America]

I disagree. The media should be allowed to show dashcam footage to the public. It's their job.

Hopefully, the investigation is done fairly.

I don't think that's necessary in this case. and ABC particularly is known for smudging the truth to make things more...sensational.(see zimmerman case)

[Eol Sha]

I disagree. The media should be allowed to show dashcam footage to the public. It's their job.

Hopefully, the investigation is done fairly.

I don't think that's necessary in this case. and ABC particularly is known for smudging the truth to make things more...sensation.(see zimmerman case)

I think it's necessary in all cases where dashcam footage is available. Transparency is important if the cops want to be trusted by the communities they're supposed to be protecting.

I'm not gonna take your word on that.

[Ifreann]

What an odd title. Unarmed black what? Car? Dog?

[Galloism]

Looking at the helicopter footage - of course he was obscured by the vehicle at the time, so it's impossible to tell if shots were fired before or after he hit the ground.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/v ... -1.2798435

[Imperial Union of America]

This is Oklahoma, i have every confidence that if it went to grand jury they would refuse to indict. He refused to show his hands.

[Galloism]

This is Oklahoma, i have every confidence that if it went to grand jury they would refuse to indict. He refused to show his hands.

Actually, the video shows his hands clearly in the air until he reached the front door of his vehicle (which he never got open).

Unfortunately, the helicopter circled in such a way as to obscure the critical moment from the helicopter's view, and the officers in question were blocking the only dash cam on scene, so it's hard to see what actually happened in that critical moment.

[Cetacea]

What an odd title. Unarmed black what? Car? Dog?

yes it almost seems like an unconscious denial of personhood evidencing OP's inherent bias and 'othering' of Blackness

the report says the police were responding to a stalled car and the driver had his hands up and was ten tasered when he went to his vehicles door?

um why would Police consider a stalled vehicle to be a volatile situation needing both tasers and firearms?

[Neutraligon]

This is Oklahoma, i have every confidence that if it went to grand jury they would refuse to indict. He refused to show his hands.

Actually, the video shows his hands clearly in the air until he reached the front door of his vehicle (which he never got open).

Unfortunately, the helicopter circled in such a way as to obscure the critical moment from the helicopter's view, and the officers in question were blocking the only dash cam on scene, so it's hard to see what actually happened in that critical moment.

One article says there was more than 1 dash cam.

[Galloism]

Actually, the video shows his hands clearly in the air until he reached the front door of his vehicle (which he never got open).

Unfortunately, the helicopter circled in such a way as to obscure the critical moment from the helicopter's view, and the officers in question were blocking the only dash cam on scene, so it's hard to see what actually happened in that critical moment.

One article says there was more than 1 dash cam.

According to the article, the second dash cam was off - the camera only activates when the light bar is activated, and the officer in question didn't activate the light bar.

[Neutraligon]

What an odd title. Unarmed black what? Car? Dog?

yes it almost seems like an unconscious denial of personhood evidencing OP's inherent bias and 'othering' of Blackness

the report says the police were responding to a stalled car and the driver had his hands up and was ten tasered when he went to his vehicles door?

um why would Police consider a stalled vehicle to be a volatile situation needing both tasers and firearms?

the dashcam footage would be helpful in this case - afterall if they have nothing to hide...

Apparently there was a caller who called in saying that a man ran from the vehicle and that it was going to explode. Also, the police showed the video to the family first, and then released it to the public and says more will be released.

[Walgreens]

Apparently there was a caller who called in saying that a man ran from the vehicle and that it was going to explode. Also, the police showed the video to the family first, and then released it to the public and says more will be released.

It's sad to think society mistrusts law enforcement to the point of this being a necessity.

[Galloism]

Apparently there was a caller who called in saying that a man ran from the vehicle and that it was going to explode. Also, the police showed the video to the family first, and then released it to the public and says more will be released.

It's sad to think society mistrusts law enforcement to the point of this being a necessity.

I think it's sad that law enforcement has tolerated shitty behavior so long as that this mistrust has festered into an open sore.

[Ifreann]

One article says there was more than 1 dash cam.

According to the article, the second dash cam was off - the camera only activates when the light bar is activated, and the officer in question didn't activate the light bar.

Strange way to set it up.

[Galloism]

According to the article, the second dash cam was off - the camera only activates when the light bar is activated, and the officer in question didn't activate the light bar.

Strange way to set it up.

Actually, this isn't the first time I've read this exact setup during one of these incidents.

[Walgreens]

I think it's sad that law enforcement has tolerated shitty behavior so long as that this mistrust has festered into an open sore.

Except nine times out of ten, it's not "shitty behavior", it's honest police work. When it all comes down to it, any injury resulting from resisting arrest is your own damn fault. The law always wins.

[Walgreens]

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[Walgreens]

Strange way to set it up.

It's how must departments do it and in high stakes situations, you don't think to turn on the lightbar, you're more worried about yourself and the guy next to you.

[Imperial Union of America]

I think it's sad that law enforcement has tolerated shitty behavior so long as that this mistrust has festered into an open sore.

Except nine times out of ten, it's not "shitty behavior", it's honest police work. When it all comes down to it, any injury resulting from resisting arrest is your own damn fault. The law always wins.

Yep. This case is no exception.

[Galloism]

I think it's sad that law enforcement has tolerated shitty behavior so long as that this mistrust has festered into an open sore.

Except nine times out of ten, it's not "shitty behavior", it's honest police work. When it all comes down to it, any injury resulting from resisting arrest is your own damn fault. The law always wins.

Police officers are not granted impunity to kill when a suspect does not behave perfectly. They are not James Bond, and do not possess a license to kill with impunity.

They must still act in a reasonable manner even if the suspect is not - it's just that reasonable manner can take into account the way the suspect is acting to determine whether the officer's actions are reasonable.

In any case, we've watched these cases over and over again get literally sabotaged by the prosecution, even when there's a good case, watched police witnesses lie, evidence be destroyed, and all other kinds of coverup behavior over and over again, and it's tolerated, and, in some instances, even encouraged.

I'm not saying this is that case. I am saying this festering mistrust has a strong basis in reality based on actions we've observed.

[Galloism]

Strange way to set it up.

It's how must departments do it and in high stakes situations, you don't think to turn on the lightbar, you're more worried about yourself and the guy next to you.

All the more reason to record continuously.

[Neutraligon]

Except nine times out of ten, it's not "shitty behavior", it's honest police work. When it all comes down to it, any injury resulting from resisting arrest is your own damn fault. The law always wins.

Police officers are not granted impunity to kill when a suspect does not behave perfectly. They are not James Bond, and do not possess a license to kill with impunity.

They must still act in a reasonable manner even if the suspect is not - it's just that reasonable manner can take into account the way the suspect is acting to determine whether the officer's actions are reasonable.

In any case, we've watched these cases over and over again get literally sabotaged by the prosecution, even when there's a good case, watched police witnesses lie, evidence be destroyed, and all other kinds of coverup behavior over and over again, and it's tolerated, and, in some instances, even encouraged.

I'm not saying this is that case. I am saying this festering mistrust has a strong basis in reality based on actions we've observed.

Especially when there are cases like in the other thread where police completely make up chargers.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Imperial Union Of America: I'm not going to lock this (for now), but please expand the OP with a question. Also, please include whether it was a black person, a black cat, or a black coffee in the title.