Right Wing Discussion Thread The Fourth

[The East Marches]

Do not be disingenuous. Please tell us how'd you wold deal with religions or groups that disagree with your ego-fueled fantasies.

The State doesn't allow protests; dissidents and protesters are detained and arrested, and depending on the severity and frequency, as well as prior crime history, they may be imprisoned for life.

The State allows religion to exist and people to worship any religion they please; but, religious institutions must pay taxes, like any other institution, and must have permission from the State to set up a church or place of worship on a piece of land. They are also at the mercy of the State; such that, if the church or its owners break the law, commit anti-State activity, or otherwise do something dissident, they will be shutdown and their land forfeited to State ownership, temporarily.

What you seek to do is control what people believe. You said as much last time you went on the rant about the issue. At least have the intellectual courage to own up to want you want to do. You cheapen yourself when you resort to such things to disguise your real intentions. You are the textbook totalitarian. Last time I remember you going about how any religion that preaches something you disagree with would be brutally repressed.

[Jochizyd Republic]

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

Classical Liberal, I always kind of thought.

You're still cool though.

[The East Marches]

I find most neo-pagans annoying. Though I do like the reconstructionists. They do very interesting work.

I love Nova Roma, and have used their wiki in the past. But I don't see the point in reviving long-dead religions which you don't believe in.

If I am interested in the topic and am willing to pay or donate to somebody who would research it more, why not?

[Eisarn-Ara]

Is there anything inherently, and non-subjectively "wrong" with "racial supremacy?"

Being haunted by my very, significantly Prussian Junker of a Great Grandfather should I follow such a thing. That, and being kicked out of any and every good barbecue joint this side of the mason/dixon line.

[Dushan]

I come here to seek discussion with what is commonly termed the "Right-Wing".
Is there anything inherently, and non-subjectively "wrong" with "racial supremacy?"

Stop philosophizing. You will implode my brain. Multiple times.

Also, with that game thing. What would you guys classify me as?

As currently exploring Evolan Traditionalism.

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

Classical, imperial-british Conservative.

However not necessarily a High-Tory.

[The East Marches]

>having to invent political classifications
Doesn't count; next.

Bromrade, look where I am on the political scale of things. Wait, fuck, where do I even sit exactly?

The best side of the political scale. The one that understands the meaning history and respects the achievements of those who came before us. I can't really put it in a fancy name.

Do you guys Think the assessment I make for my own beliefs is an accurate one?
Like I care

What label would you give?

Neo-Timurism

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

A good British citizen of the Empire. I fear you belong in a different section of history than the one we currently live in.

[Nusaresa]

Do you guys Think the assessment I make for my own beliefs is an accurate one?
Like I care

What label would you give?

Traditionalist Soft Pragmatist is what I'd call you.

Like you do have some degree of pragmatism every now and then.


Also part time Steppe Warlord <3

And while we are at it, since this is a thing now apparently.

Where and how you would label me politically or belief related? ;o

Just to keep the little Game on!

To play it safe you come off as a radical centrist of sorts...

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

ur a physicist nappy

[The V O I D]

It's almost like I apply the same laws to them as everyone else in my territory; as if they aren't exempt from law just because they're a religious institution.

The State doesn't allow protests; dissidents and protesters are detained and arrested, and depending on the severity and frequency, as well as prior crime history, they may be imprisoned for life.

The State allows religion to exist and people to worship any religion they please; but, religious institutions must pay taxes, like any other institution, and must have permission from the State to set up a church or place of worship on a piece of land. They are also at the mercy of the State; such that, if the church or its owners break the law, commit anti-State activity, or otherwise do something dissident, they will be shutdown and their land forfeited to State ownership, temporarily.

What you seek to do is control what people believe. You said as much last time you went on the rant about the issue. At least have the intellectual courage to own up to want you want to do. You cheapen yourself when you resort to such things to disguise your real intentions. You are the textbook totalitarian. Last time I remember you going about how any religion that preaches something you disagree with would be brutally repressed.

I am not totalitarian.

"Totalitarianism is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society." "

"However, a totalitarian regime attempts to control virtually all aspects of the social life, including the economy, education, art, science, private life, and morals of citizens. "The officially proclaimed ideology penetrates into the deepest reaches of societal structure and the totalitarian government seeks to completely control the thoughts and actions of its citizens."

Compared to totalitarianism, "the authoritarian state still maintains a certain distinction between state and society. It is only concerned with political power and as long as that is not contested it gives society a certain degree of liberty. Totalitarianism, on the other hand, invades private life and asphyxiates it." Another distinction is that "authoritarianism is not animated by utopian ideals in the way totalitarianism is. It does not attempt to change the world and human nature."Carl Joachim Friedrich writes that "a totalist ideology, a party reinforced by a secret police, and monopoly control of ... industrial mass society" are the three features of totalitarian regimes that distinguish them from other autocracies."

I am against total control of the economy and mass surveillance. I also don't want to completely control the thoughts/actions of the civilians - as I said, they are free to live their lives; get any job they can achieve, marry whoever and however many people they want, be whoever they are, etc. without consequence. I also don't care for the morals of citizens; you can have your own morality, but we aren't going to necessarily be of your morals.

I am definitely authoritarian, and I'll grant you that I have totalitarian characteristics, but I am not a 'textbook totalitarian'; nor am I close to being a full totalitarian.

[Drown]

Classicalist and White Nationalist.

Although You're generally more tolerable than the rest.

I'm not a white nationalist though; Cultural supremacist? Yes, Racial supremacist? no.

Some white nationalists detest being called racist. I call them idiots.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Do you guys Think the assessment I make for my own beliefs is an accurate one?
Like I care

What label would you give?

Neo-Timurism

:dddd

The Neo Ottomanism might contradict that. But either one iz gud.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Yeah. It's still White culture technically. Which is why you're alright.

1000 years of getting it right is certainly incentive to preserve classical concepts of the "West". Hmmm.

[The East Marches]

What you seek to do is control what people believe. You said as much last time you went on the rant about the issue. At least have the intellectual courage to own up to want you want to do. You cheapen yourself when you resort to such things to disguise your real intentions. You are the textbook totalitarian. Last time I remember you going about how any religion that preaches something you disagree with would be brutally repressed.

I am not totalitarian.

"Totalitarianism is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society." "

"However, a totalitarian regime attempts to control virtually all aspects of the social life, including the economy, education, art, science, private life, and morals of citizens. "The officially proclaimed ideology penetrates into the deepest reaches of societal structure and the totalitarian government seeks to completely control the thoughts and actions of its citizens."

Compared to totalitarianism, "the authoritarian state still maintains a certain distinction between state and society. It is only concerned with political power and as long as that is not contested it gives society a certain degree of liberty. Totalitarianism, on the other hand, invades private life and asphyxiates it." Another distinction is that "authoritarianism is not animated by utopian ideals in the way totalitarianism is. It does not attempt to change the world and human nature."Carl Joachim Friedrich writes that "a totalist ideology, a party reinforced by a secret police, and monopoly control of ... industrial mass society" are the three features of totalitarian regimes that distinguish them from other autocracies."

I am against total control of the economy and mass surveillance. I also don't want to completely control the thoughts/actions of the civilians - as I said, they are free to live their lives; get any job they can achieve, marry whoever and however many people they want, be whoever they are, etc. without consequence. I also don't care for the morals of citizens; you can have your own morality, but we aren't going to necessarily be of your morals.

I am definitely authoritarian, and I'll grant you that I have totalitarian characteristics, but I am not a 'textbook totalitarian'; nor am I close to being a full totalitarian.

No my friend, by your own words in the past you certainly fit the textbook definition. You can deny it all you want.

This part here is what doomed you as it describes what exactly you intend. Reread some of your previous posts when you get into an ego fueled posting session and you will see.

"The officially proclaimed ideology penetrates into the deepest reaches of societal structure and the totalitarian government seeks to completely control the thoughts and actions of its citizens."

[The East Marches]

Sunni Sufi Muslim-Traditionalist Conservative-Perennialist-Monarchist-Wondering why he isn't a Muslim-Tengrist syncretic prophet-Steppe Warlord.

A long but in my humble opinion very fitting assassment.

---

And while we are at it, since this is a thing now apparently.

Where and how you would label me politically or belief related? ;o

Just to keep the little Game on!

Early Sengoku Jidai Daimyoism

[The V O I D]

I am not totalitarian.

"Totalitarianism is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society." "

"However, a totalitarian regime attempts to control virtually all aspects of the social life, including the economy, education, art, science, private life, and morals of citizens. "The officially proclaimed ideology penetrates into the deepest reaches of societal structure and the totalitarian government seeks to completely control the thoughts and actions of its citizens."

Compared to totalitarianism, "the authoritarian state still maintains a certain distinction between state and society. It is only concerned with political power and as long as that is not contested it gives society a certain degree of liberty. Totalitarianism, on the other hand, invades private life and asphyxiates it." Another distinction is that "authoritarianism is not animated by utopian ideals in the way totalitarianism is. It does not attempt to change the world and human nature."Carl Joachim Friedrich writes that "a totalist ideology, a party reinforced by a secret police, and monopoly control of ... industrial mass society" are the three features of totalitarian regimes that distinguish them from other autocracies."

I am against total control of the economy and mass surveillance. I also don't want to completely control the thoughts/actions of the civilians - as I said, they are free to live their lives; get any job they can achieve, marry whoever and however many people they want, be whoever they are, etc. without consequence. I also don't care for the morals of citizens; you can have your own morality, but we aren't going to necessarily be of your morals.

I am definitely authoritarian, and I'll grant you that I have totalitarian characteristics, but I am not a 'textbook totalitarian'; nor am I close to being a full totalitarian.

No my friend, by your own words in the past you certainly fit the textbook definition. You can deny it all you want.

This part here is what doomed you as it describes what exactly you intend. Reread some of your previous posts when you get into an ego fueled posting session and you will see.

"The officially proclaimed ideology penetrates into the deepest reaches of societal structure and the totalitarian government seeks to completely control the thoughts and actions of its citizens."

I do not wish to completely control the thoughts and actions of my citizenry. It is you who needs to go reread my posts, and actually reread those definitions and differences. I'm an authoritarian, with totalitarian characteristics at the most.

[Nusaresa]

A long but in my humble opinion very fitting assassment.

---

And while we are at it, since this is a thing now apparently.

Where and how you would label me politically or belief related? ;o

Just to keep the little Game on!

Early Sengoku Jidai Daimyoism

Nobunagaism *nods*

[United Marxist Nations]

That's stamping them out.

Still, that isn't totalitarian. At most, it's authoritarian. Which, I am openly authoritarian, politically. Just not totalitarian.

It's no less totalitarian than the Soviet Union under Stalin, tbh.

[The East Marches]

No my friend, by your own words in the past you certainly fit the textbook definition. You can deny it all you want.

This part here is what doomed you as it describes what exactly you intend. Reread some of your previous posts when you get into an ego fueled posting session and you will see.

"The officially proclaimed ideology penetrates into the deepest reaches of societal structure and the totalitarian government seeks to completely control the thoughts and actions of its citizens."

I do not wish to completely control the thoughts and actions of my citizenry. It is you who needs to go reread my posts, and actually reread those definitions and differences. I'm an authoritarian, with totalitarian characteristics at the most.

That's a blatant lie given your statements in the past on how you wish to "develop" society. You would crush any opposition to your very specific ideas. Your hypocrisy is only matched by your cowardice in this situation. There is no more to be said on the matter.

Still, that isn't totalitarian. At most, it's authoritarian. Which, I am openly authoritarian, politically. Just not totalitarian.

It's no less totalitarian than the Soviet Union under Stalin, tbh.

Stalin was pretty totalitarian m8.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Do you guys Think the assessment I make for my own beliefs is an accurate one?
Like I care

What label would you give?

Traditionalist Soft Pragmatist is what I'd call you.

Like you do have some degree of pragmatism every now and then.


Also part time Steppe Warlord <3

Yea Boi.

But I'm opposed to Utilitarianism. Iqbal himself viewed Pragmatism as what Utilarianism applied to religious modernism would eventually "devolve" into and become even more materialist.

Something I persoanlly find somewhat echoing Guénon's views on Quantity and the downward fall we have been taking.

(And they wonder where I got the habit of constant accusations of Materialism from)

[Drown]

Still, that isn't totalitarian. At most, it's authoritarian. Which, I am openly authoritarian, politically. Just not totalitarian.

It's no less totalitarian than the Soviet Union under Stalin, tbh.

Didn't you like Stalin?

[Eisarn-Ara]

The best side of the political scale. The one that understands the meaning history and respects the achievements of those who came before us. I can't really put it in a fancy name.

Thanks mate, Have an Augustus on the house.

[United Marxist Nations]

It's no less totalitarian than the Soviet Union under Stalin, tbh.

Didn't you like Stalin?

I like some things he did, but no, not really.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Sunni Sufi Muslim-Traditionalist Conservative-Perennialist-Monarchist-Wondering why he isn't a Muslim-Tengrist syncretic prophet-Steppe Warlord.

A long but in my humble opinion very fitting assassment.

---

And while we are at it, since this is a thing now apparently.

Where and how you would label me politically or belief related? ;o

Just to keep the little Game on!

Perusing various far(ther) right ideologies. Not completely settled yet.

[The V O I D]

Still, that isn't totalitarian. At most, it's authoritarian. Which, I am openly authoritarian, politically. Just not totalitarian.

It's no less totalitarian than the Soviet Union under Stalin, tbh.

Hilarious. You're making me laugh, at this point.

I do not wish to completely control the thoughts and actions of my citizenry. It is you who needs to go reread my posts, and actually reread those definitions and differences. I'm an authoritarian, with totalitarian characteristics at the most.

That's a blatant lie given your statements in the past on how you wish to "develop" society. You would crush any opposition to your very specific ideas. Your hypocrisy is only matched by your cowardice in this situation. There is no more to be said on the matter.

I don't care for what you believe about me. Believe what you will; I can't stop you from being wrong.

You and UMN can both be wrong together, then.

[The East Marches]

Early Sengoku Jidai Daimyoism

Nobunagaism *nods*

I appreciate seeing a side of a question that I would not otherwise have thought of. That is what I like about some of our resident posters in RWDT.

[Napkiraly]

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

Classical Liberal, I always kind of thought.

You're still cool though.

I'm not a classical liberal. Used to be a moderate social democrat, but in terms of economics I've moved more towards social market capitalism.
Also used to be quite the anti-imperialist way, way back.

Thanks, you're cool as well. One of the coolest on NSG, in my opinion.

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

ur a physicist nappy

If only I were right now. ;-;

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

A good British citizen of the Empire. I fear you belong in a different section of history than the one we currently live in.

This is quite possibly true, sadly. I was either born too late or too early. *cries*

What would you classify me as, RWDT? Seriously I need to know, even I'm confused as to what I am, currently.

Classical, imperial-british Conservative.

However not necessarily a High-Tory.

Why do you think that?