UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Vassenor]

They said it was the best way of making sure Scotland was in the EU, which was probably true. The chance of Spain allowing Scotland into the EU is less than the chance of a leave vote at the time.

I can remember nobody saying that it was a absolute guarantee the UK would not vote to leave if the promised referendum was held.

oh well then. it's forseeable, there's a chance, the government will just tell you to bite it and ignore the referendum. it's unlikely, but the chance is there. would you accept "it was foreseeable!" an acceptable response to why you should shut up and deal with it?

It was also "foreseeable" that the SNP would call for a second indyref in the event of Brexit.

[Elepis]

Banks poised to relocate out of UK over Brexit, BBA warns

Not that any banks have actually said they would do this.

well, the British Banker's Association did and while it may not be a bank, dose represent banks and presumably know what the bankers are thinking because it is made up of bankers and speaks to bankers

[Valaran]

Banks poised to relocate out of UK over Brexit, BBA warns

BBA is largely making those statements to reframe the debate in light the push towards a hard Brexit. Also of note was their warning to the Europe not to 'cut off their nose to spite their face'.

Not to deny the fears the financial industry has - those are real. But these statements were made to ensure there is something of a public pushback against the path Britain may or may not be careening towards.

Combined with the gargantuan budget cuts that are to be expected in the coming years from the British government, especially if the Tories manage to keep control, poverty is probably going to increase rapidly in the UK.

It is actually expected that Hammond will be doing some minor fiscal expansion. Some additional cuts too, but the overall expectation is for spending to rise a bit.

[Lamadia 2016]

Not that any banks have actually said they would do this.

well, the British Banker's Association did and while it may not be a bank, dose represent banks and presumably know what the bankers are thinking because it is made up of bankers and speaks to bankers

Whilst they may very well be true, my dad's own experience with the BBA is that they listen to a select group of bankers/people in the financial industry, and that neither their statements nor often those made by staff of any particular bank are reliable.

[Valaran]

well, the British Banker's Association did and while it may not be a bank, dose represent banks and presumably know what the bankers are thinking because it is made up of bankers and speaks to bankers

Whilst they may very well be true, my dad's own experience with the BBA is that they listen to a select group of bankers/people in the financial industry, and that neither their statements nor often those made by staff of any particular bank are reliable.

All the same, I've not met many bankers who would disagree with the sentiment's expressed by the BBA on this. The industry is pretty strongly against a hard Brexit.

[Lamadia 2016]

Whilst they may very well be true, my dad's own experience with the BBA is that they listen to a select group of bankers/people in the financial industry, and that neither their statements nor often those made by staff of any particular bank are reliable.

All the same, I've not met many bankers who would disagree with the sentiment's expressed by the BBA on this. The industry is pretty strongly against a hard Brexit.

Absolutely, my point was that it is not necessarily true that these banks will be leaving the U.K 'definitely'.

[Valaran]

All the same, I've not met many bankers who would disagree with the sentiment's expressed by the BBA on this. The industry is pretty strongly against a hard Brexit.

Absolutely, my point was that it is not necessarily true that these banks will be leaving the U.K 'definitely'.

The BBA didn't say definitely anyway. Browne said they were preparing to possibly shift some operations, which is effectively common knowledge (or should be) and is in line with announcements by specific banks.

[Ifreann]

In Calais, currently, that camp has to be destroyed. The residents should be rounded up by the army

I swear, you and the fucking army.

[Lamadia 2016]

The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.

[Vassenor]

The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.

No, what we need are massive defence cuts to avoid alienating the Labour voters the Conservatives are trying to poach.

[Philjia]

The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.

Skirting dangerously close to bribery and corruption is a good start.

[Frank Zipper]

In Calais, currently, that camp has to be destroyed. The residents should be rounded up by the army

I swear, you and the fucking army.

At least this time there is no mention of bombing people.

[Valaran]

The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.

What it takes is likely free movement of labour, and access to the single market. Can May really provide those off the record?

[Ifreann]

I swear, you and the fucking army.

At least this time there is no mention of bombing people.

Not yet, anyway.

[Lamadia 2016]

At least this time there is no mention of bombing people.

Not yet, anyway.

Wait, are you suggesting I would like to bomb refugees?

[Hurdergaryp]

At least this time there is no mention of bombing people.

Not yet, anyway.

It's only a matter of time, because more than a few people in NationStates General firmly believe that you can make any problem go away by thoroughly bombing it.

[Ifreann]

Not yet, anyway.

Wait, are you suggesting I would like to bomb refugees?

Well you haven't said yet what you're planning to do with all the people you've rounded up into prison camps and you don't consider to be deserving enough of refuge in Europe. Maybe once you've let out the women and children you'll decide that everyone else must be terrorists and criminals.

[Lamadia 2016]

Wait, are you suggesting I would like to bomb refugees?

Well you haven't said yet what you're planning to do with all the people you've rounded up into prison camps and you don't consider to be deserving enough of refuge in Europe. Maybe once you've let out the women and children you'll decide that everyone else must be terrorists and criminals.

I do hate reactionaries.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.

Bribe the rich by offering them the money kids in poverty need to eat. That's a new low.

No, wait, it isn't. Not even close.

[Lamadia 2016]

The directors of these banks, these businesses, these big employers, should all be invited to a weekend trip at Chequeres. The Prime Minister can then speak with them strictly off-the record, and they can have a little discussion about what they really want, what it will take to keep them in the U.K. Obviously we need massive corporation tax cuts, and to pay for that we need to take a sledgehammer to the social budget; allowing more planning permission for construction, reducing regulations on services & infrastructure; nothing can be off the table. But these talks have to take place, to let business have a voice in how this country is run.

Bribe the rich by offering them the money kids in poverty need to eat. That's a new low.

No, wait, it isn't. Not even close.

So you complain that banks & businesses may leave the U.K because of Brexit, but don't believe in keeping them here?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Bribe the rich by offering them the money kids in poverty need to eat. That's a new low.

No, wait, it isn't. Not even close.

So you complain that banks & businesses may leave the U.K because of Brexit, but don't believe in keeping them here?

When did I complain about that?

[Lamadia 2016]

So you complain that banks & businesses may leave the U.K because of Brexit, but don't believe in keeping them here?

When did I complain about that?

Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

[Salandriagado]

On the issue of antisemitism, criticising the Israeli Government is perfectly legitimate- criticisng the right of Israel to exist as a state, is not.

Again: states don't have rights. Actual people have rights.

On the issue of antisemitism, criticising the Israeli Government is perfectly legitimate- criticisng the right of Israel to exist as a state, is not.

Which no-one in here has done, yet we have been accused as such anyway.

Actually, I did, but in the same sentence that I criticised the "right" of any other country in the world to exist. Inevitably, the conclusion that many in this thread drew was that rational humanism is inherently antisemitic.

[Frank Zipper]

Bribe the rich by offering them the money kids in poverty need to eat. That's a new low.

No, wait, it isn't. Not even close.

So you complain that banks & businesses may leave the U.K because of Brexit, but don't believe in keeping them here?

The issue is passporting; I doubt any level of cuts to corporate taxes could compensate for the amount of business Banks stand to lose because of Brexit.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

When did I complain about that?

Oh, so you support unemployment?
Sorry, I just assumed that you would want businesses to stay in this country with jobs. My mistake.

Rawr! Straw!