Corrian wrote:I have no understanding of economics whatsoever
The fact you're aware of this already puts you ahead of the vast majority of the electorate. Congratulations.
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by Freefall11111 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:56 am
Corrian wrote:I have no understanding of economics whatsoever
by Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:56 am
Corrian wrote:I have no understanding of economics whatsoever
by Freefall11111 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:56 am
Pandeeria wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Because if you are truly unable to see a difference between the candidates, then I don't trust your ability to make a fully informed decision. You're seeing black and black instead of black and white, or even the black and gray that I see. That's fine. It's an opinion that you've come to on your own. However, I'm also good with the idea that someone who isn't able to see even a sliver of difference between the candidates on major issues isn't going to take that type of reasoning into the voting booth.
So you're saying I'm politically inept/incompetent at making an informed vote simply because I see both parties as total shit that in practice are not all that different?
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:57 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:What I'm saying is I view all the candidates as way too wrong for me to be comfortable voting for them.
One's almost always going to be more wrong than another, even if it's by just a few degrees. If you're not comfortable with negotiating shades of gray, though, then I'm good with you leaving it up to people who are.
by Pandeeria » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:58 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:What I'm saying is I view all the candidates as way too wrong for me to be comfortable voting for them.
One's almost always going to be more wrong than another, even if it's by just a few degrees. If you're not comfortable with negotiating shades of gray, though, then I'm good with you leaving it up to people who are.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:59 am
Pandeeria wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Because if you are truly unable to see a difference between the candidates, then I don't trust your ability to make a fully informed decision. You're seeing black and black instead of black and white, or even the black and gray that I see. That's fine. It's an opinion that you've come to on your own. However, I'm also good with the idea that someone who isn't able to see even a sliver of difference between the candidates on major issues isn't going to take that type of reasoning into the voting booth.
So you're saying I'm politically inept/incompetent at making an informed vote simply because I see both parties as total shit that in practice are not all that different?
by Valonde » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:59 am
Pandeeria wrote:Valonde wrote:
The status quo won't change overnight. But if you want the third party to win then shouldn't you vote anyway? True the likelihood of them winning is improbable, but do you really think it's best for folks who don't see a way out to just roll over and die so to speak?
Voting for third parties isn't going to change the status quo. It will be through long periods of time, changing political and social trends, and changes in major political realignment that a third party will have a chance at winning.
This can only happen through time. You could perhaps speed it up slightly by going out and campaigning for third parties, telling the people about why the two major parties suck and third party X is the best. That will change things. But just going out once every 4 years to vote for a third party candidate and then never really talking about it again until next election is pretty much the same as not voting at all. It doesn't matter if you don't vote or if you vote third party.
The act of the vote does not matter right now. The act of spreading awareness about better alternatives, and the act of allowing time to slowly erode the ruling two parties is of utmost importance.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:00 am
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
One's almost always going to be more wrong than another, even if it's by just a few degrees. If you're not comfortable with negotiating shades of gray, though, then I'm good with you leaving it up to people who are.
I see the shades of grey, but when every candidate is saying they will actively go against my core beliefs, I'm not going to vote for them.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:02 am
Pandeeria wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
One's almost always going to be more wrong than another, even if it's by just a few degrees. If you're not comfortable with negotiating shades of gray, though, then I'm good with you leaving it up to people who are.
How about instead of passively-aggressively dismissing their point as "not being comfortable with negotiating with shades of gray" maybe you should perhaps consider that both options are equally terrible and are not worth the vote?
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:03 am
by Pandeeria » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:05 am
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:05 am
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
One may go against your core beliefs less than another. Without knowing said beliefs, I couldn't tell you.
Pro UN, Pro Intervention, Pro Federations, Pro Free Trade, Pro Capitalism, Anti Nationalism.
Every candidate attacks at least one of those things, hence, it wouldn't sit right with me to vote for any of them
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:06 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Pro UN, Pro Intervention, Pro Federations, Pro Free Trade, Pro Capitalism, Anti Nationalism.
Every candidate attacks at least one of those things, hence, it wouldn't sit right with me to vote for any of them
I see the problem. And you're not ready to prioritize one over the other?
by Pandeeria » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:07 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Pro UN, Pro Intervention, Pro Federations, Pro Free Trade, Pro Capitalism, Anti Nationalism.
Every candidate attacks at least one of those things, hence, it wouldn't sit right with me to vote for any of them
I see the problem. And you're not ready to prioritize one over the other?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:07 am
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by USS Monitor » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:16 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:USS Monitor wrote:I don't necessarily think everyone should vote, but we should make a distinction between people that are uninformed and people that are just jaded. There are people that know who the candidates are enough to formulate an opinion, but just feel like their vote doesn't matter. Those people should be prodded to vote so they can have their opinion counted. People that don't even know what's going on may as well stay home.
I think that if you're fully informed, and still jaded, then you're not actually fully informed.
by Marcurix » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:17 am
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by Pandeeria » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:20 am
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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