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Postby Yugoslav Memes » Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:38 am

Socio polor wrote:
Yugoslav Memes wrote:"Wisely and responsibly"

How

"Wisely and responsibly" as in not developing very dangerous weapons such as nukes, and developing things that actually help humans and other earth species rather than possibly wiping out all life as we know it

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aliens expecting us to behave like good kids

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also that doesn't include us wiping them out
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:07 am

Aksun wrote:Now hold on... We have only been on this rock for a few thousand years give or take? It would be rediculous to assume that we are the only life out in space. I believe there is life out there, but the question is have we been visited yet? I haven't a clue, but what I do know is our technology advanced quickly in the past 150 years ( I mean REALLY quickly). It gives you something to think about in your off time and makes you wonder.

How are you not aware of the age of the earth?
And yeah, technology has advanced rapidly in the last 150 years because of the industrial revolution which began 250 years ago.
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Aksun wrote:Now hold on... We have only been on this rock for a few thousand years give or take? It would be rediculous to assume that we are the only life out in space. I believe there is life out there, but the question is have we been visited yet? I haven't a clue, but what I do know is our technology advanced quickly in the past 150 years ( I mean REALLY quickly). It gives you something to think about in your off time and makes you wonder.

Yeah, but what's even more suspicious is that ever since the Roswell incident, our technology has advanced rapidly. Technology has always been advancing but what I'm getting at is, ever since Roswell our technology has advanced above the average rate, other people have also noticed this, but perhaps it's a coincidence or maybe not

America was more or less the largest and most advanced economy by 1947, thanks to a little-known global event known as the Second World War. Only the Soviet Union was close at that time, and was still behind because of its late industrialisation. The British Empire was sliding into decline but had been the brains behind the Manhattan Project.

Semiconductors and high-precision machinery was just coming into its own before the war, along with radar technology and computers, etc.
Simple enough.

If you're going to seriously claim that an extraterrestrial race that could travel to earth would have technology of the 1950s, 70s or even the 2010s, you can get out.
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Postby Eirin » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:19 am

They're certainly hiding evidence of advanced aircraft technology. I don't think it's reverse engineered alien technology, though. I'm not even sure there's advanced life out there that's within any kind of attainable distance.

That said, I think – and I genuinely believe this – that the CIA (or whoever it was in the immediate aftermath of the Second World War and beginning of the Cold War) deliberately sought to 'leak' information of extraterrestrials on Earth in order to discredit witnesses who may have seen something experimental that they weren't meant to.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:50 am

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Western Pacific Territories wrote:Ancient Aliens is a terrible show. Not to mention it's ridiculous and outright wrong.

How the heck do u know it's wrong?


Practically everything on Ancient Aliens relies on "God of the Gaps" arguments, but instead of God it's aliens. None of the ancient alien theorists on the show present any compelling arguments or evidence other than "we don't yet know the answer, so therefore it was aliens".
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Postby Socio Polor » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:26 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Socio polor wrote:How the heck do u know it's wrong?


Practically everything on Ancient Aliens relies on "God of the Gaps" arguments, but instead of God it's aliens. None of the ancient alien theorists on the show present any compelling arguments or evidence other than "we don't yet know the answer, so therefore it was aliens".

Actually, they do provide evidence to what they're saying

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Postby Novus America » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:01 pm

Socio polor wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Practically everything on Ancient Aliens relies on "God of the Gaps" arguments, but instead of God it's aliens. None of the ancient alien theorists on the show present any compelling arguments or evidence other than "we don't yet know the answer, so therefore it was aliens".

Actually, they do provide evidence to what they're saying


No, they do not. They use an extreme form of confirmation bias. If some ancient painting or drawing can somehow be construed to look something like an abstract depiction of a modern perception of an alien then they assume it is evidence of aliens, despite the fact there are many other more plausible and probable explanations.
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Postby Socio Polor » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:12 pm

Novus America wrote:
Socio polor wrote:Actually, they do provide evidence to what they're saying


No, they do not. They use an extreme form of confirmation bias. If some ancient painting or drawing can somehow be construed to look something like an abstract depiction a modern perception of an alien then they assume it is evidence of aliens, despite the fact there are many other more plausible and probable explanations.

True, but the evidence they show depends on what they're talking about and it typically goes much deeper than just some paintings and writings.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:00 am

Socio polor wrote:
Novus America wrote:
No, they do not. They use an extreme form of confirmation bias. If some ancient painting or drawing can somehow be construed to look something like an abstract depiction a modern perception of an alien then they assume it is evidence of aliens, despite the fact there are many other more plausible and probable explanations.

True, but the evidence they show depends on what they're talking about and it typically goes much deeper than just some paintings and writings.

They don't show any evidence. Period.
To claim otherwise is an outright lie.

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Postby Seangoli » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:06 am

Socio polor wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Practically everything on Ancient Aliens relies on "God of the Gaps" arguments, but instead of God it's aliens. None of the ancient alien theorists on the show present any compelling arguments or evidence other than "we don't yet know the answer, so therefore it was aliens".

Actually, they do provide evidence to what they're saying


The "evidence" is often outright lies and extreme exaggerations, and there is a reason that actual archaeologists with actual degrees in archaeology who actually have experience in archaeology think they are nutballs. The reason, of course, being that their "evidence" is often a complete and total misreprentation of the reality of the material they are talking about.

The so-called "experts" on ancient aliens are crazy wackjobs at best, and lying assholes most of the time.
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:09 am

Genivaria wrote:
Socio polor wrote:True, but the evidence they show depends on what they're talking about and it typically goes much deeper than just some paintings and writings.

They don't show any evidence. Period.
To claim otherwise is an outright lie.


Oh, they certainly show evidence.

Of course, this evidence is most often completely misreprented or even fabricated, and even when it does exist it doesn't necessarily relate at all to the conclusion of "aliens" for any reasonably minded person. It's still "evidence" in the strictest sense of the word. Just really bad evidence.

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Postby UniversalCommons » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:27 pm

To get to orbit would take 1970s technology. To get to deep space using something like an Orion ship would be 1980s technology. It is not so much the technology as the scale you need to build it that is overwhelming. A generation ship made from a hollowed out asteroid could not be made because of the scale involved, not the technical level. An alien race with the same level of technology and much greater and more cohesive social ability could possibly build larger things than we could and organize better than we could making something like a generation ship possible. This implies greater evolution and social ability. Not everything is about technology.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:28 pm

UniversalCommons wrote:To get to orbit would take 1970s technology. To get to deep space using something like an Orion ship would be 1980s technology. It is not so much the technology as the scale you need to build it that is overwhelming. A generation ship made from a hollowed out asteroid could not be made because of the scale involved, not the technical level. An alien race with the same level of technology and much greater and more cohesive social ability could possibly build larger things than we could and organize better than we could making something like a generation ship possible. This implies greater evolution and social ability. Not everything is about technology.

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