Income Inequality and Decadence

[Community Values]

Well the rich have gradually become more and more degenerate and liberal, and this is the result.

Man, the rich Romans were so liberal. That's why they believed in freedom and the rights of man, right? /s

[Pirelin]

Well the rich have gradually become more and more degenerate and liberal, and this is the result.

Man, the rich Romans were so liberal. That's why they believed in freedom and the rights of man, right? /s

What? We're talking about the wealthy citizens of today's world, who are liberal. George Soros, Bill Gates, Bruce Jenner, the list goes on.

[Community Values]

Man, the rich Romans were so liberal. That's why they believed in freedom and the rights of man, right? /s

What? We're talking about the wealthy citizens of today's world, who are liberal. George Soros, Bill Gates, Bruce Jenner, the list goes on.

Oh, I guess in that case Trump, the Koch's, all Oil Barons are not right-wing.

There's no link between decadence and liberalism.

[Pirelin]

What? We're talking about the wealthy citizens of today's world, who are liberal. George Soros, Bill Gates, Bruce Jenner, the list goes on.

Oh, I guess in that case Trump, the Koch's, all Oil Barons are not right-wing.

There's no link between decadence and liberalism.

Yes, there is. Liberalism is just that, acceptance of degeneracy.

Trump, previous to 2016, had funded many left-wing candidates. The Koch's worked with Soros to empty federal prisons.

[Community Values]

Oh, I guess in that case Trump, the Koch's, all Oil Barons are not right-wing.

There's no link between decadence and liberalism.

Yes, there is. Liberalism is just that, acceptance of degeneracy.

Trump, previous to 2016, had funded many left-wing candidates. The Koch's worked with Soros to empty federal prisons.

How is emptying federal prisons degeneracy? Or left-wing?

[Pirelin]

Yes, there is. Liberalism is just that, acceptance of degeneracy.

Trump, previous to 2016, had funded many left-wing candidates. The Koch's worked with Soros to empty federal prisons.

How is emptying federal prisons degeneracy?

It isn't. It's liberalism. You claimed that the Koch's were right-wing, they aren't. No true patriotic right-winger would empty prisons to allow more crime, rape, and murder.

Liberals are often advocates for prison "reform".

[Alvecia]

Man, the rich Romans were so liberal. That's why they believed in freedom and the rights of man, right? /s

What? We're talking about the wealthy citizens of today's world, who are liberal. George Soros, Bill Gates, Bruce Jenner, the list goes on.

Is Bill Gates particularly decadent?

[Community Values]

How is emptying federal prisons degeneracy?

It isn't. It's liberalism. You claimed that the Koch's were right-wing, they aren't. No true patriotic right-winger would empty prisons to allow more crime, rape, and murder.

Liberals are often advocates for prison "reform".

Yet we see the Koch's support, doing, and advocating other right-wing things. Like free-markets, stopping government spying (like opposing the Patriot Act), and gun rights. How are these things not right-wing?

Yet we see Trump being one of the most rightist candidates we've seen in a long time, do you really think he's liberal?

[The New Sea Territory]

I don't advocate socialism because it "furthers society". Rather, I advocate it because I want to own all of the products of my labor, and capitalism will not allow me to do so....because that how wage labor functions.

Start your own business.

Not a possibility, sorry. Not all of us are born with wealth necessary to do so.

True. But since capitalism usually creates large middle classes I'd say that propagates more happiness, as well as efficiency.

It's a serious leap to say middle classes are happy.

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I don't advocate socialism because it "furthers society". Rather, I advocate it because I want to own all of the products of my labor, and capitalism will not allow me to do so....because that how wage labor functions.

But this is functionally impossible since leaving one-hundred percent of value added to the workers leaves no room for financing the deterioration of capital, a rainy day fund, or any opportunities for growth. Capitalist firms keep money aside for those things, but by the sound of how you're saying a socialist firm would operate, it would be so inefficient it wouldn't last over a decade.

This is why most socialists don't advocate self-employment (even though this would be a possibility under socialism), but instead worker self-management. The workers themselves could set aside what they needed, without the structure of a capitalist business or the profit of a boss.

Neither does your system theoretically care for those who don't work, either because they can't or refuse to (or those who contribute little value added),

This is why communism is preferable to mutualism.

Of course, you could say "but wouldn't that be exploitative", because it takes the labor of others to fund those who don't/can't work. This would be true if anarchist society, and the communes within it, were not free associations, but coerced organizations.

since as far as I can tell you're proposing something akin to free market capitalism where the capitalist firm is replaced with a socialist one.

This would be mutualism, not communism. The two could coexist in a post-state society, but they aren't related.

[The New Sea Territory]

Well the rich have gradually become more and more degenerate and liberal, and this is the result.

It's almost class consciousness. Almost.

[Pirelin]

It isn't. It's liberalism. You claimed that the Koch's were right-wing, they aren't. No true patriotic right-winger would empty prisons to allow more crime, rape, and murder.

Liberals are often advocates for prison "reform".

Yet we see the Koch's support, doing, and advocating other right-wing things. Like free-markets, stopping government spying (like opposing the Patriot Act), and gun rights. How are these things not right-wing?

Yet we see Trump being one of the most rightist candidates we've seen in a long time, do you really think he's liberal?

I never said he was liberal, I said that he used to support left wing candidates.

[The New Sea Territory]

Yet we see the Koch's support, doing, and advocating other right-wing things. Like free-markets, stopping government spying (like opposing the Patriot Act), and gun rights. How are these things not right-wing?

Yet we see Trump being one of the most rightist candidates we've seen in a long time, do you really think he's liberal?

I never said he was liberal, I said that he used to support left wing candidates.

What left-wing candidates?

I wasn't aware he supported Socialist Alternative or the CPUSA.

[Pirelin]

I never said he was liberal, I said that he used to support left wing candidates.

What left-wing candidates?

I wasn't aware he supported Socialist Alternative or the CPUSA.

Didn't he support Clinton in 08?

[The New Sea Territory]

What left-wing candidates?

I wasn't aware he supported Socialist Alternative or the CPUSA.

Didn't he support Clinton in 08?

Was Clinton ever anything but right-wing?

[Community Values]

Yet we see the Koch's support, doing, and advocating other right-wing things. Like free-markets, stopping government spying (like opposing the Patriot Act), and gun rights. How are these things not right-wing?

Yet we see Trump being one of the most rightist candidates we've seen in a long time, do you really think he's liberal?

I never said he was liberal, I said that he used to support left wing candidates.

Then what's your point? I was thinking it was that rich = liberal these days, was it not?

[Equalaria]

We're looking at income inequality and ignoring the root causes and specific distributions- white males are the richest, and arguably least deserving of such wealth. Any sort of redistribution begins with white men having thier money redistributed to opressed populations like women, people of color, and sexual minorities. Not to mention the antecedent factors of inequality- a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery and female subjugation would make sense to start the process.

[Pirelin]

I never said he was liberal, I said that he used to support left wing candidates.

Then what's your point? I was thinking it was that rich = liberal these days, was it not?

It is. The Koch Brothers are only two.

[The New Sea Territory]

We're looking at income inequality and ignoring the root causes and specific distributions- white males are the richest, and arguably least deserving of such wealth. Any sort of redistribution begins with white men having thier money redistributed to opressed populations like women, people of color, and sexual minorities. Not to mention the antecedent factors of inequality- a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery and female subjugation would make sense to start the process.

This ignores the underlying material factors which lead to the abuse of minority groups in the first place....you say we're ignoring the root causes of income inequality but ignore what actually causes these distributions: capitalism. Would income inequality be any less a problem if we just let black men, women and transpeople be billionaires, too?

The problem isn't a lack of redistribution, but class society itself. The best way to stop gender-based or racial oppression is to take the floor out from underneath it, and destroy the means of this oppression: class society, and the state.

[Pandeeria]

Oh, I guess in that case Trump, the Koch's, all Oil Barons are not right-wing.

There's no link between decadence and liberalism.

Yes, there is. Liberalism is just that, acceptance of degeneracy.

Trump, previous to 2016, had funded many left-wing candidates. The Koch's worked with Soros to empty federal prisons.

Obviously all those hyper-Religious, ultra-conservative, reactionary, super-traditionalist dynasties and governments that ruled throughout history must all have been liberal.

In reality, no. Some of the most disgustingly degenerate and decedent royal families, governments, and people have been conservative and right-wing. That's not to say all decedant political entities were right wing, but to say they were all left wing is asinine and stupidity. There have been both conservative (for the time) and liberal (for the time) political entities since the end of the Agricultural Revolution all the way to our modern day, and everywhere in between.

[Yuropah]

We're looking at income inequality and ignoring the root causes and specific distributions- white males are the richest, and arguably least deserving of such wealth. Any sort of redistribution begins with white men having thier money redistributed to opressed populations like women, people of color, and sexual minorities. Not to mention the antecedent factors of inequality- a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery and female subjugation would make sense to start the process.

a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery

Would the Irish also have to pay reparations, because, you know, they made up like 80% of the slaves in America or something...
Also I thought you people said race didn't exist. If this isn't satire (which I fucking pray to god that it is) couldn't I just say "I IDENTIFY AS A BLACK MAN, I AM TRANSRACIAL! I AM A BLACKMAN TRAPPED IN A WHITE MAN'S BODY! IF YOU TAX ME YOU ARE TRANSRACIST, AND A BIGOT!" to avoid this extremely racist tax?

[Community Values]

Then what's your point? I was thinking it was that rich = liberal these days, was it not?

It is. The Koch Brothers are only two.

I can point to a dozen more examples of rich, right-wing businessmen. Do you want me to?

[Community Values]

We're looking at income inequality and ignoring the root causes and specific distributions- white males are the richest, and arguably least deserving of such wealth. Any sort of redistribution begins with white men having thier money redistributed to opressed populations like women, people of color, and sexual minorities. Not to mention the antecedent factors of inequality- a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery and female subjugation would make sense to start the process.

"White males are the richest"

[Equalaria]

We're looking at income inequality and ignoring the root causes and specific distributions- white males are the richest, and arguably least deserving of such wealth. Any sort of redistribution begins with white men having thier money redistributed to opressed populations like women, people of color, and sexual minorities. Not to mention the antecedent factors of inequality- a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery and female subjugation would make sense to start the process.

a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery

Would the Irish also have to pay reparations, because, you know, they made up like 80% of the slaves in America or something...
Also I thought you people said race didn't exist. If this isn't satire (which I fucking pray to god that it is) couldn't I just say "I IDENTIFY AS A BLACK MAN, I AM TRANSRACIAL! I AM A BLACKMAN TRAPPED IN A WHITE MAN'S BODY! IF YOU TAX ME YOU ARE TRANSRACIST, AND A BIGOT!" to avoid this extremely racist tax?

That's just crap- the Irish never were slaves at that rate in relation to Africans. Also, the straw man of feminist ideas is getting old. This tax would be a measure to ensure equality for the first time in history- people like you just being puerile and playing around. Institutional precedents of operation and domination can only be overcome with massive interventions meant to overhaul them.

[Equalaria]

We're looking at income inequality and ignoring the root causes and specific distributions- white males are the richest, and arguably least deserving of such wealth. Any sort of redistribution begins with white men having thier money redistributed to opressed populations like women, people of color, and sexual minorities. Not to mention the antecedent factors of inequality- a tax on white men to pay repirations for slavery and female subjugation would make sense to start the process.

"White males are the richest"

'A list that is 7/10 white men'. Not sure what you're going with that.

[Community Values]

"White males are the richest"

'A list that is 7/10 white men'. Not sure what you're going with that.

You said the white males were the richest, I just said that there were others that were not white.