What if: Your country becomes a Leninist/Maoist country?

[Jamzmania]

Join the resistance.

[Benuty]

*kronstadt rebellion intensifies*

I wish you godspeed.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

That reminds me of one of my all-time favorite quotes: "No nation should go [Marxist] due to the irresponsibility of its own people."

[The Kievan People]

Wow, I didn't think you would be a supporter of Leninism, of all people.

I'm trying to stay in character.

[Communal Ecotopia]

No. It does not, it depends on what you consider oppressive deformed worker's state. It won't be Khrushchev like or state capitalist like China.

Will it stomp out any dissenting opinions, or will it still hold elections, allowing for free and open discussion and media, and not be a Single Party shit stain?

Assuming that since the OP said Leninist, it would follow "democratic centralism" and be a one-party state. How much freedom is within that structure, we can't know.

[Aterria]

Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

That reminds me of one of my all-time favorite quotes: "No nation should go [Marxist] due to the irresponsibility of its own people."

That quote is so overused. I wouldn't want to die, unless life was absolutely horrible.

[Oesterrepublik]

Actually, it was secular. Muslims can still practice their beliefs in private.

What would this hypothetical state do about the Church, though? Catholics and Orthodox can't just 'practice in private'.

Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.

[Benuty]

What would this hypothetical state do about the Church, though? Catholics and Orthodox can't just 'practice in private'.

Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.

Already a problem since the church isn't going away just because you officially dismantle it. The Polish saw to that quite well.

[United Marxist Nations]

What would this hypothetical state do about the Church, though? Catholics and Orthodox can't just 'practice in private'.

Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.

If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.

[Kubra]

Ugh, I'd have to see peggy morton on the reg, and she crazy man

[Oesterrepublik]

They don't touch personal property.

People who voted kill people and bomb, why are you going against democratic process?

Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.

kek
Here you see the failures of so called "Democracy"

[Benuty]

Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.

If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.

Well you could always join the opt out ( of life) crowd that is bound to happen.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.

So, it's democratic until the people elect someone you don't like.

Basically.
"My petty dictatorship is worth more than democracy! All else is irrelevant!"

[Pandeeria]

Actually in the hypothetical new regime, it won't be a deformed worker's state and therefore would allow for dissenting opinions.

> Maoism
> Tolerating dissent

Mao tolerated no dissent and hated culture and beauty (just ask the Cultural Revolution). His entire idea was to subjugate the population ("to abolish arms, take up arms", and to get peace, use war). The pre-Bolshevik First Russian Revolution's state tolerated dissent, but Lenin was a Bolshevik at hear who tolerated nothing. He was no Stalin, but he was bloodthirsty, vengeful, violent, and oppressive.

ALL Marxist regimes either degenerate into Deformed Workers' States or outright Stalinism (USSR, Hoxa's Albania, Cuba), or collapse into famine, poverty, and/or filthy hospitals (Venezuela, the USSR at its end).

Leninism proposes a Vangaurd Pary leading the people into Socialism and then into the final phase of Communism. Whether dissent is allowed or not is not an inherent tenant in Leninism, and therefore a Leninist State can allowed free and open dissent and still be considered Leninist.

And since it's assumed in this hypothetical question that th state doesn't become deformed with a power hungry, corrupt ruling class, then things like dissent and elections still occur.

[Pandeeria]

Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.

If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.

I never understood why you were a Leninist-Marxist and yet believed in organized religion. Isn't that kind of heretical to Party line thinking?

[Serjo]

Join the resistance

[Oesterrepublik]

Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.

Already a problem since the church isn't going away just because you officially dismantle it. The Polish saw to that quite well.

That's ok. It no longer had power over the masses, unless they made the choice to let it.

[United Marxist Nations]

If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.

I never understood why you were a Leninist-Marxist and yet believed in organized religion. Isn't that kind of heretical to Party line thinking?

I'm influenced greatly by Marxism-Leninism, but I wouldn't exactly call myself one anymore.

[Pandeeria]

I never understood why you were a Leninist-Marxist and yet believed in organized religion. Isn't that kind of heretical to Party line thinking?

I'm influenced greatly by Marxism-Leninism, but I wouldn't exactly call myself one anymore.

Would you still ultimately consider yourself a Communist though?

[The Kievan People]

Seriously though, the point I was really trying to make is Leninism is not incompatible with nationalist ambitions. I can definitely see the merit of embracing Leninist or Maoist principles as a tool of national regeneration, as many Russians and Chinese did historically and many European intellectuals toyed with in the interwar.

Even if it's not an ideal regime type. It certainly has advantages, there is probably no more perfect regime type for mobilizing the nations resources. If it has already won you may as well make the best of it.

[Oesterrepublik]

Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.

If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.

You can have any belief you want to. What you can't have is an group of elites that keep the people down. The church is one such group of elites.

[Communal Ecotopia]

So, it's democratic until the people elect someone you don't like.

Basically.
"My petty dictatorship is worth more than democracy! All else is irrelevant!"

Or one might also say, "democracy is good until the people vote that they can't get it back."

[Thermodolia]

Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

That reminds me of one of my all-time favorite quotes: "No nation should go [Marxist] due to the irresponsibility of its own people."

I wouldn't want to die just because the state went Marxist, I'd try to get a position of power in the government, or use my skills to get a government job, or join the rebellion

[United Marxist Nations]

If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.

You can have any belief you want to. What you can't have is an group of elites that keep the people down. The church is one such group of elites.

How in the hell is it keeping people down? And, no, we can't have any belief we want if you forcibly dismantle the Church, because a core belief is in a One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[Lady Scylla]

Let's say suddenly tomorrow out of nowhere, there is a referendum being held and it succeeds. The proletariat takes over and a Leninist or a Maoist socialist state is established. This is a hypothetical so let's not talk about whether this is realistic or not.

For those who know nothing about soviet society: https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/

How would you react to the change? I would personally be really happy about the change and be really happy that there is socialism in one country.

If OP is too short mods, I can expand to explanation of how a socialist state works.

I'd move to a different country.