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by Benuty » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:01 pm
Merizoc wrote:*kronstadt rebellion intensifies*
by TURTLESHROOM II » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:01 pm
Shiistan wrote:Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.
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by The Kievan People » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:02 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Wow, I didn't think you would be a supporter of Leninism, of all people.
by Communal Ecotopia » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:02 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Socialist Tera wrote:No. It does not, it depends on what you consider oppressive deformed worker's state. It won't be Khrushchev like or state capitalist like China.
Will it stomp out any dissenting opinions, or will it still hold elections, allowing for free and open discussion and media, and not be a Single Party shit stain?
by Aterria » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:02 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Shiistan wrote:Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.
BETTER DEAD THAN RED
That reminds me of one of my all-time favorite quotes: "No nation should go [Marxist] due to the irresponsibility of its own people."
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by Oesterrepublik » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:02 pm
by Benuty » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:03 pm
Oesterrepublik wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:What would this hypothetical state do about the Church, though? Catholics and Orthodox can't just 'practice in private'.
Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.
by United Marxist Nations » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:04 pm
Oesterrepublik wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:What would this hypothetical state do about the Church, though? Catholics and Orthodox can't just 'practice in private'.
Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Kubra » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:04 pm
by Benuty » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:04 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Oesterrepublik wrote:
Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.
If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:05 pm
by Pandeeria » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:05 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Pandeeria wrote:Actually in the hypothetical new regime, it won't be a deformed worker's state and therefore would allow for dissenting opinions.
> Maoism
> Tolerating dissent
Mao tolerated no dissent and hated culture and beauty (just ask the Cultural Revolution). His entire idea was to subjugate the population ("to abolish arms, take up arms", and to get peace, use war). The pre-Bolshevik First Russian Revolution's state tolerated dissent, but Lenin was a Bolshevik at hear who tolerated nothing. He was no Stalin, but he was bloodthirsty, vengeful, violent, and oppressive.
ALL Marxist regimes either degenerate into Deformed Workers' States or outright Stalinism (USSR, Hoxa's Albania, Cuba), or collapse into famine, poverty, and/or filthy hospitals (Venezuela, the USSR at its end).
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Pandeeria » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:06 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Oesterrepublik wrote:
Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.
If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Oesterrepublik » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:06 pm
Benuty wrote:Oesterrepublik wrote:
Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.
Already a problem since the church isn't going away just because you officially dismantle it. The Polish saw to that quite well.
by United Marxist Nations » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:07 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Pandeeria » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:08 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by The Kievan People » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:08 pm
by Oesterrepublik » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:08 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Oesterrepublik wrote:
Marx wanted to dismantle the church, not religion. As long as the church has power over the people, the people it commands can't be free. Religion is fine to believe, but the church cannot stand.
If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.
by Communal Ecotopia » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:08 pm
by Thermodolia » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:09 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Shiistan wrote:Communism is never legitimate, therefore even if the people 'voted' for it, their votes immediately become irrelevant.
BETTER DEAD THAN RED
That reminds me of one of my all-time favorite quotes: "No nation should go [Marxist] due to the irresponsibility of its own people."
by United Marxist Nations » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:10 pm
Oesterrepublik wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:If the Church is dismantled, then we could not practice our faith, it would be extremely oppressive to us.
You can have any belief you want to. What you can't have is an group of elites that keep the people down. The church is one such group of elites.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Lady Scylla » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:10 pm
Socialist Tera wrote:Let's say suddenly tomorrow out of nowhere, there is a referendum being held and it succeeds. The proletariat takes over and a Leninist or a Maoist socialist state is established. This is a hypothetical so let's not talk about whether this is realistic or not.
For those who know nothing about soviet society: https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/
How would you react to the change? I would personally be really happy about the change and be really happy that there is socialism in one country.
If OP is too short mods, I can expand to explanation of how a socialist state works.
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