Right Wing Discussion Thread the Third

[The Kievan People]

Fascism was defending the status quo and killing the "non-desirable".

So was Stalinism!

[Socialist Tera]

Fascism was defending the status quo and killing the "non-desirable".

So was Stalinism!

Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*

[The V O I D]

Sorry. Back onto the topic at hand; do you consider Bonapartism (not the Neo-Bonapartism I kinda-sorta invented, but the original version) to be a right-wing ideology?

no. Liberalism is inherently left-wing.

Bonapartism / traditional Bonapartism / the original form of it, which I adopted and changed slightly to suit my political views, is for what is essentially a conservative military dictatorship that is anti-elitist/popular. In fact, Bonapartism is associated with Marxism and other socialist/communist ideologies.

I took it and made it my own via self-proclaimed 'Neo-Bonapartism'.

[Dushan]

I think a good poll to do would be "monarchy or republic."

Favourite government type? That's a lot broader so it could work better.

Add Pornocracy to the poll. It's the only true choice for adherents of the mighty Chaos God of Slaanesh.

Furthermore I think it is Time to Discuss the Merits and disadvantages of such a Form of Government.

[Northern Davincia]

Favourite government type? That's a lot broader so it could work better.

Add Pornocracy to the poll. It's the only true choice for adherents of the mighty Chaos God of Slaanesh.

Furthermore I think it is Time to Discuss the Merits and disadvantages of such a Form of Government.

The main disadvantage being that it runs on heresy.

[Dagashi]

So was Stalinism!

Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*

Fascism did not want to bring back feudalism, and it probably had more in common with Lenin and the Bolsheviks than it did with a lot of conservative movements. For instance, Futurists played a role in both movements, with the founder of Futurism literally writing the Fascist manifesto in 1919.

[Dushan]

Add Pornocracy to the poll. It's the only true choice for adherents of the mighty Chaos God of Slaanesh.

Furthermore I think it is Time to Discuss the Merits and disadvantages of such a Form of Government.

The main disadvantage being that it runs on heresy.

Thats one of it's big advantages.

It runs on the Energy of Chaos and Lust, concentrated and focussed in a form of Government which not rejects but instead uses those forces to fuel it's existence.

[Socialist Tera]

Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*

Fascism did not want to bring back feudalism, and it probably had more in common with Lenin and the Bolsheviks than it did with a lot of conservative movements. For instance, Futurists played a role in both movements, with the founder of Futurism literally writing the Fascist manifesto in 1919.

Pah. Maintaining the status quo of Russia was feudalism. Lenin never advocated bringing back the old feudal order.

[Martune]

freedom!

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Favourite government type? That's a lot broader so it could work better.

Add Pornocracy to the poll. It's the only true choice for adherents of the mighty Chaos God of Slaanesh.

Furthermore I think it is Time to Discuss the Merits and disadvantages of such a Form of Government.

The downside is it's not robotism, not that they're mutually exclusive ideologies.

[Dagashi]

By this standard, Fascism would be left-wing though.

Fascism was defending the status quo and killing the "non-desirable".

Neither Hitler or Mussolini were defending the status quo with their regimes. A populist state centered around a charismatic strong man who is said to embody the will of the masses originated in Fiume with Gabriele D'Annunzio rather than the status quo.

[United Marxist Nations]

Fascism did not want to bring back feudalism, and it probably had more in common with Lenin and the Bolsheviks than it did with a lot of conservative movements. For instance, Futurists played a role in both movements, with the founder of Futurism literally writing the Fascist manifesto in 1919.

Pah. Maintaining the status quo of Russia was feudalism. Lenin never advocated bringing back the old feudal order.

There's a lot more to fascism than "maintaining the status quo". Fascism is an explicitly corporatist ideology.

[The Alexanderians]

I wonder if I should start posting in this thread eh?

[The Kievan People]

Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*

You know "bringing back" is by definition not "status quo", right?

Stalinism was definitely fixated on maintaining the communist system. He inherited a country which was already under the control of the communist party, and the people he killed were in his mind threats to that system. Even in Marxist terms he never made any step towards realizing the withering away of the state. Quite the opposite, he expanded the power of the state massively under the Communist Party (the so-called dictatorship of the proletariat which is supposed to be a transitional phase) and was right up until the moment of his death planning new purges.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I wonder if I should start posting in this thread eh?

HIYA PUDDIN!

[The Alexanderians]

I wonder if I should start posting in this thread eh?

HIYA PUDDIN!

*takes a drink*

[United Marxist Nations]

I wonder if I should start posting in this thread eh?

Join us, Alex. Join the semi-theocratic Soviet Socialist bloc! (currently consists of me).

[Socialist Tera]

Not exactly. Stalinism did not represent bringing back the old feudal order and bringing back landlordism. Maybe you can count killing hoarders, sabotages and people who support the feudal system as non desirable then maybe but Stalinism did not exist, it is Leninism. *revs tank*

You know "bringing back" is by definition not "status quo", right?

Stalinism was definitely fixated on maintaining the communist system. He inherited a country which was already under the control of the communist party, and the people he killed were in his mind threats to that system. Even in Marxist terms he never made any step towards realizing the withering away of the state. Quite the opposite, he expanded the power of the state massively under the Communist Party (the so-called dictatorship of the proletariat which is supposed to be a transitional phase) and was right up until the moment of his death planning new purges.

I actually agree Stalin was not a revolutionary communist leader, this is actual critique, Stalin would not lead towards communism, he was a socialist leader. He was concerned with security and making sure the revolution was strong. You can't wither the state away until we kill capitalism.

[The Alexanderians]

I wonder if I should start posting in this thread eh?

Join us, Alex. Join the semi-theocratic Soviet Socialist bloc! (currently consists of me).

"If we could create
a socialist state
that cares for the people like meeeee~
I am the man who arranges the blocs"

[United Marxist Nations]

Join us, Alex. Join the semi-theocratic Soviet Socialist bloc! (currently consists of me).

"If we could create
a socialist state
that cares for the people like meeeee~
I am the man who arranges the blocs"

[Eisarn-Ara]

blyet

"Comrade-Saint Stalin", da?

[Dushan]

"Comrade-Saint Stalin", da?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8

[Benuty]

There's nothing like that new thread smell.

Eldar your time has come!

[United Marxist Nations]

There's nothing like that new thread smell.

Eldar your time has come!

>on a mobile planet-sized ship where you practice strict moral traditionalism
Nope, feels pretty comfy.

[Benuty]

Eldar your time has come!

>on a mobile planet-sized ship where you practice strict moral traditionalism
Nope, feels pretty comfy.

Not with all the humam/eldar fan fiction. The STDs alone will probably kill most of your craftworld.