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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:40 pm

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Muslims were basically non-existent in western countries, except as curiosities, until after WWII. And Islamic powers were all backwards and weak. So it's not surprising they did not feature in the cosmology of threats, they weren't a threat.
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Postby Dushan » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:44 pm

The Kievan People wrote:(Image)

Muslims were basically non-existent in western countries, except as curiosities, until after WWII. And Islamic powers were all backwards and weak. So it's not surprising they did not feature in the cosmology of threats, they weren't a threat.


Tell me how you feel about the Waffen-SS Divisions Skanderbeg and Handschar.
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Jochizyd Republic
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:49 pm

The Kievan People wrote:(Image)

Muslims were basically non-existent in western countries, except as curiosities, until after WWII. And Islamic powers were all backwards and weak. So it's not surprising they did not feature in the cosmology of threats, they weren't a threat.

Much less backwards than now. Largely uncorrupted by Wahhabism in the Arab world as fatwas and treatises from the time can point out. And as much as I disagree with Islamic Modernism, that at least was not barborous and was a prosperous school of thought in some of the Arab world alongside a much more sensible traditionalism.

At the time of classical fascism Muslim countries strength wise were about as powerful as they are now. The Saudis just didn't have western migrants to use as leverage and terrorist groups were largely socialist.


It never ceases to make me laugh how some modern nationists try to squirm out of the fact that Classical Fascists and Nationalists were completely pro Islam. And probably would be now if they were alive today. Albeit definately and rightly so opposed to the Puritan schools and sects.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:52 pm

Dushan wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:(Image)

Muslims were basically non-existent in western countries, except as curiosities, until after WWII. And Islamic powers were all backwards and weak. So it's not surprising they did not feature in the cosmology of threats, they weren't a threat.


Tell me how you feel about the Waffen-SS Divisions Skanderbeg and Handschar.

Wonder if he knows he's using the Skanderberg division's flag.

Anyway. Nazis are nothing to glorify. But Classical Fascists did have some salvageable ideas. And were very much Pro-Islam. Unlike the...ah... people following the several varying populist/neofascist bastard born ideologies.
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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:01 pm

This isn't the Skanderberg flag, time to lay off the khat Jochi.

Skanderberg and Handschar... were not very important. I don't think much about them either way.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:11 pm

The Kievan People wrote:This isn't the Skanderberg flag, time to lay off the khat Jochi.

could have fooled me.
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Postby The Kievan People » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:15 pm

They don't even have a flag.

This is my IC flag anyways you git. I started using a variation of it more than a decade ago for TKP.
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Postby Wulfenia » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:17 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:It never ceases to make me laugh how some modern nationists try to squirm out of the fact that Classical Fascists and Nationalists were completely pro Islam. And probably would be now if they were alive today. Albeit definately and rightly so opposed to the Puritan schools and sects.


As long as you were okay with a secular state, then yeah. I don't think that Mussolini and co. would take kindly to modern Wahabhists trying to put theology above the state though.

I do enjoy trolling modern "nationalists" by telling them that Mussolini allowed Libyans to become Italian citizens, and I would have gone a step further by encouraging Italians to marry them.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:17 pm

The Kievan People wrote:They don't even have a flag.

This is my IC flag anyways you git. I started using a variation of it more than a decade ago for TKP.


There is no need to insult others.

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Postby New confederate ramenia » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:19 pm

>wahhabis commit all the terrorist attacks
>media NEVER talks about wahhabism, only talks about Islam as a whole or "radical Islam" (never specifying what that is)
>islamophobes blame all Muslims and all Muslim denomination, not just wahhabis
>leftists call you racist for saying there is a problem
what the fuck
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:20 pm

The Kievan People wrote:They don't even have a flag.

This is my IC flag anyways you git. I started using a variation of it more than a decade ago for TKP.

If you think Joch's flag is a non-flag wait til you see mine!
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:20 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:>wahhabis commit all the terrorist attacks
>media NEVER talks about wahhabism, only talks about Islam as a whole or "radical Islam" (never specifying what that is)
>islamophobes blame all Muslims and all Muslim denomination, not just wahhabis
>leftists call you racist for saying there is a problem
what the fuck


Basically the left destroying its self.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:21 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:They don't even have a flag.

This is my IC flag anyways you git. I started using a variation of it more than a decade ago for TKP.

If you think Joch's flag is a non-flag wait til you see mine!


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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:24 pm

Calling Jochi a git was wrong.

But seriously this has always been my flag, though it used to have a terrible looking thing I drew on it.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:25 pm

The Kievan People wrote:They don't even have a flag.

This is my IC flag anyways you git. I started using a variation of it more than a decade ago for TKP.

Insigna. Flag. Whatever.

You're using a Muslim flag anyway. Just an interesting little tidbit I thought I'd point out. I'm sorry I made you so upset, there.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:27 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:>wahhabis commit all the terrorist attacks
>media NEVER talks about wahhabism, only talks about Islam as a whole or "radical Islam" (never specifying what that is)
>islamophobes blame all Muslims and all Muslim denomination, not just wahhabis
>leftists call you racist for saying there is a problem
what the fuck

<leftist volunteering to actually fight salafism rather than just complaining on the internet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Battalion

Plz let me know when the alt-right does the same.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:32 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:>wahhabis commit all the terrorist attacks
>media NEVER talks about wahhabism, only talks about Islam as a whole or "radical Islam" (never specifying what that is)
>islamophobes blame all Muslims and all Muslim denominations, not just wahhabis
>leftists call you racist for saying there is a problem
what the fuck

<leftist volunteering to actually fight salafism rather than just complaining on the internet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Battalion

Plz let me know when the alt-right does the same.

When I said leftist I meant mainstream liberals.

Also I'm not alt right, nobody ITT is alt right, alt right isn't a real thing.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:33 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:>wahhabis commit all the terrorist attacks
>media NEVER talks about wahhabism, only talks about Islam as a whole or "radical Islam" (never specifying what that is)
>islamophobes blame all Muslims and all Muslim denomination, not just wahhabis
>leftists call you racist for saying there is a problem
what the fuck

It is more than the Wahhabis though. The Muslim Brotherhood ain't Wahhabis and neither are a few other admittedly minor organizations.

But yeah. Most are at least influenced by Wahhabis or the Muslim brotherhood.

Anti-Muslim Populists and other liberals both seldom listen to reason. And are seldom capable of understanding anything beyond the most simplistic view possible in any given social situation.

Unsurprising too. Populism is essentially embracing simplistic viewpoints, oftentime knowing their viewpoints are simplistic ( in case of the head demagougue and some of their more devious edgy/stubborn followers) as most liberalism is with it's insistence on feelings before reality.
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Postby Dushan » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:34 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:>wahhabis commit all the terrorist attacks
>media NEVER talks about wahhabism, only talks about Islam as a whole or "radical Islam" (never specifying what that is)
>islamophobes blame all Muslims and all Muslim denomination, not just wahhabis
>leftists call you racist for saying there is a problem
what the fuck

<leftist volunteering to actually fight salafism rather than just complaining on the internet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Battalion

Plz let me know when the alt-right does the same.


Not exactly alt-right but here you go:

http://www.vice.com/read/after-isis-kil ... t-back-253

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:35 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:<leftist volunteering to actually fight salafism rather than just complaining on the internet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Battalion

Plz let me know when the alt-right does the same.

When I said leftist I meant mainstream liberals.

Yeah fuck them. If you're ever drinking with a socialist and you want some common ground, bring that up. These are the sort of idiots that want to make peace with ISIS, that throw our comrades in jail when they get back from Rojava and say "they're just as bad".

Also I'm not alt right, nobody ITT is alt right, alt right isn't a real thing.

I hope you're right.
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Postby The Kievan People » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:36 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:You're using a Muslim flag anyway. Just an interesting little tidbit I thought I'd point out. I'm sorry I made you so upset, there.


Which muslim country or military organization used a red over black bicolor?

Cause it wasn't Albania.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:38 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:When I said leftist I meant mainstream liberals.

Yeah fuck them. If you're ever drinking with a socialist and you want some common ground, bring that up. These are the sort of idiots that want to make peace with ISIS, that throw our comrades in jail when they get back from Rojava and say "they're just as bad".

Also I'm not alt right, nobody ITT is alt right, alt right isn't a real thing.

I hope you're right.

It's really just a Prejorative used to describe a specific way of thinking and action, just like 'SJW'.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:38 pm

Dushan wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:<leftist volunteering to actually fight salafism rather than just complaining on the internet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Battalion

Plz let me know when the alt-right does the same.


Not exactly alt-right but here you go:

http://www.vice.com/read/after-isis-kil ... t-back-253

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I'm a bit iffy about the mercenary thing, but if he's genuinely helping Assyrians, good on him.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:39 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:>wahhabis commit all the terrorist attacks
>media NEVER talks about wahhabism, only talks about Islam as a whole or "radical Islam" (never specifying what that is)
>islamophobes blame all Muslims and all Muslim denomination, not just wahhabis
>leftists call you racist for saying there is a problem
what the fuck

<leftist volunteering to actually fight salafism rather than just complaining on the internet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Battalion

Plz let me know when the alt-right does the same.

He's defending non fundamentalist Islam. Something alt rightists are practically defined by the refusal to do. He isn't an alt rightist.

Annyway, the Red Kurds will only bring another form of tyranny. Although got to admit, them wrecking Salafis is a good source of schadenfreude.

A bit like when Hezbollah does it. Rooting for Khomeinists would be awful. But hearing about the destruction to Salafis they're causing never ceases to make me smile. Although ultimately I hope the same comes to them and their fundamentalist overseers in Iran.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:41 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:You're using a Muslim flag anyway. Just an interesting little tidbit I thought I'd point out. I'm sorry I made you so upset, there.


Which muslim country or military organization used a red over black bicolor?

Cause it wasn't Albania.

I meant the Eagle insigna you had earlier in one of your posts. For some reason.
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See? I was pointing out you were using it in the post.
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