Right Wing Discussion Thread the Third

[Wulfenia]

Fascism is not secular in the agnostic sense, rather it sees the state as a spiritual reality with it's own unique character, means, and ends. For that reason, it cannot allow religious organizations to place themselves above it. Philosophically speaking, it's pantheist rather than atheist or agnostic.

Amusingly, Evola stated while life was difficult for him under Fascist Italy, he never ended up put on trial for his beliefs like he was by the "democratic" Allies. Perhaps Mussolini's prophetic line will come true. Fascism will be seen as more and more golden when people realize that the idol of liberty is something jealously guarded by liberalism, something kept to oneself and denied to others.

That's a good observation. lol.
And interesting spiritual stance. Does Fascism follow any particular religion in this or allow people to choose their own as long as the doctrines of whatever religious school of choice one chooses don't undermine unity in the state?

Fascism was primarily molded by the Neo-Hegelian idealism of Giovanni Gentile and not any particular religion. It never set itself against religion as a whole, and tolerated both Christianity and Islam, although it experienced tension with the Vatican for obvious reasons.

[HMS Vanguard]

The problem with fascism is that it is a compromise attempt with socialism.

Fascism says that we keep traditional culture and some kind of hierarchy, but combine them with socialist ideas that were fashionable in the 1920s.

Those ideas sucked and discredit traditional culture and hierarchy by association.

The hierarchical system that worked was English common law contractual capitalism.

[Wulfenia]

The problem with fascism is that it is a compromise attempt with socialism.

Fascism says that we keep traditional culture and some kind of hierarchy, but combine them with socialist ideas that were fashionable in the 1920s.

Those ideas sucked and discredit traditional culture and hierarchy by association.

The hierarchical system that worked was English common law contractual capitalism.

> corporatism
> socialism

Bruh, do you even do basic ideology?

[HMS Vanguard]

The problem with fascism is that it is a compromise attempt with socialism.

Fascism says that we keep traditional culture and some kind of hierarchy, but combine them with socialist ideas that were fashionable in the 1920s.

Those ideas sucked and discredit traditional culture and hierarchy by association.

The hierarchical system that worked was English common law contractual capitalism.

> corporatism
> socialism

Bruh, do you even do basic ideology?

Corporatism and socialism are practically identical.

[Wulfenia]

> corporatism
> socialism

Bruh, do you even do basic ideology?

Corporatism and socialism are practically identical.

No, they're not, and the sheer amount of ignorance it takes to make that statement is baffling.

[HMS Vanguard]

If you say so

[Wulfenia]

If you say so

If you cannot understand the difference between one system where private property exists, and another where it doesn't, then there really is no hope for you.

[HMS Vanguard]

Private property doesn't exist under corporatism. Actual controlling authority over property is exercised by the state.

[Wulfenia]

Private property doesn't exist under corporatism. Actual controlling authority over property is exercised by the state.

Corporatism is organization of society through interest associations (employer, laborer, military etc.) in order for there to be an employer syndicate in the first place there needs to be private property. Simply because the worker is integrated into the management process and allowed the right to collectively bargain does not do away with private property. Social democracies, which are corporatist, have some of the freest markets in the world.

[Minzerland II]

Question RWDT, who is your favourite Right-Wing philosopher? This may be a philosopher whom was considered Left-Wing for their time but are considered Right-Wing today. You may list a single philosopher or a list of philosophers.

Mine is John Locke, although the 'Father of Liberalism' would be considered Left-Wing in his time, he would be considered Right-Wing by today's standards, using this standard; he is my favourite *Right-Wing* philosopher who created Classical Liberalism, my own ideological basis, which is associated with the Right-Wing. This is arguable, btw.

[HMS Vanguard]

Private property doesn't exist under corporatism. Actual controlling authority over property is exercised by the state.

Corporatism is organization of society through interest associations (employer, laborer, military etc.) in order for there to be an employer syndicate in the first place there needs to be private property. Simply because the worker is integrated into the management process and allowed the right to collectively bargain does not do away with private property. Social democracies, which are corporatist, have some of the freest markets in the world.

Compared to what? Social democracies often have relatively free markets because they are incompletely corporatist and they have freer markets than most other countries because most other countries are more explicitly corporatist or socialist.

In socialism, the state seizes everyone's property. In corporatism, the state permits current owners to continue to draw rents from their property so long as they obey state instructions. Being required to obey state instructions how to use something means that it is owned by the state, not by you, even if you are retained as a salaried estate manager who is referred to as the owner on paper.

Corporatism is abolition of private property in such a way that doesn't piss off vested interests. This makes it less disruptive and murderous than revolutionary socialism but ends up in the same place.

[Teryia]

Can't we all just agree that capitalism is superior?

[Minzerland II]

Can't we all just agree that capitalism is superior?

Was there any ever doubt?

[Teryia]

Can't we all just agree that capitalism is superior?

Was there any ever doubt?

Well I think the corporatism supporter would disagree.

[Minzerland II]

Was there any ever doubt?

Well I think the corporatism supporter would disagree.

There isn't any, I won't presume to speak for either Wulfenia or HMS Vanguard, but as far as I'm aware neither are Corpratists.

[Teryia]

Well I think the corporatism supporter would disagree.

There isn't any, I won't presume to speak for either Wulfenia or HMS Vanguard, but as far as I'm aware neither are Corpratists.

Well I wouldn't know, I'm rather fresh here. Time to make as many assumptions as possible right?

[Soadino]

Question RWDT, who is your favourite Right-Wing philosopher? This may be a philosopher whom was considered Left-Wing for their time but are considered Right-Wing today. You may list a single philosopher or a list of philosophers.

Mine is John Locke, although the 'Father of Liberalism' would be considered Left-Wing in his time, he would be considered Right-Wing by today's standards, using this standard; he is my favourite *Right-Wing* philosopher who created Classical Liberalism, my own ideological basis, which is associated with the Right-Wing. This is arguable, btw.

How do you feel about Joseph de Maistre

[Minzerland II]

There isn't any, I won't presume to speak for either Wulfenia or HMS Vanguard, but as far as I'm aware neither are Corpratists.

Well I wouldn't know, I'm rather fresh here. Time to make as many assumptions as possible right?

I guess so.

[Minzerland II]

Question RWDT, who is your favourite Right-Wing philosopher? This may be a philosopher whom was considered Left-Wing for their time but are considered Right-Wing today. You may list a single philosopher or a list of philosophers.

Mine is John Locke, although the 'Father of Liberalism' would be considered Left-Wing in his time, he would be considered Right-Wing by today's standards, using this standard; he is my favourite *Right-Wing* philosopher who created Classical Liberalism, my own ideological basis, which is associated with the Right-Wing. This is arguable, btw.

How do you feel about Joseph de Maistre

He's an alright character, not a fan however; unlike myself he was overly moralistic and religious, which affected his philosophy incrediblely. He was a counter-enlightenment man as opposed to John Locke. I also disagree with much of what he says.

[Soadino]

How do you feel about Joseph de Maistre

He's an alright character, not a fan however; unlike myself he was overly moralistic and religious, which affected his philosophy incrediblely. He was a counter-enlightenment man as opposed to John Locke. I also disagree with much of what he says.

Rip Joseph de Maistre 2016.

[Minzerland II]

He's an alright character, not a fan however; unlike myself he was overly moralistic and religious, which affected his philosophy incrediblely. He was a counter-enlightenment man as opposed to John Locke. I also disagree with much of what he says.

Rip Joseph de Maistre 2016.

I also forgot to mention that he's French.

[Soadino]

Rip Joseph de Maistre 2016.

I also forgot to mention that he's French.

King Louis IX supreme

I'll assume you don't like him because religion influenced his laws.

[Minzerland II]

I also forgot to mention that he's French.

King Louis IX supreme

I'll assume you don't like him because religion influenced his laws.

Guilty as charged.

[Soadino]

King Louis IX supreme

I'll assume you don't like him because religion influenced his laws.

Guilty as charged.

*cri ever tim*

[Teryia]

King Louis IX supreme

I'll assume you don't like him because religion influenced his laws.

Guilty as charged.

French Catholicism supreme.