Should Rural votes count more than Urban Votes?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I mean, what Chicago wants Illinois wants.

That doesn't seem fair either.

Or what Seattle wants, Washington gets. Funny enough, part of the intelligentsia tends to favor independence for Scotland, Catalonia, etc. However when it comes to "devolution" for local and state governments in the US -heaven forbid that "neo-Confederacy" nonsense should occur.

Fuck Seattle.

Them and the Californians ruin everything.

[Conserative Morality]

Or what Seattle wants, Washington gets. Funny enough, part of the intelligentsia tends to favor independence for Scotland, Catalonia, etc. However when it comes to "devolution" for local and state governments in the US -heaven forbid that "neo-Confederacy" nonsense should occur.

Probably has something to do with the fact that regionalists in the US aren't asking to break away from the country as a whole, continue to receive all the benefits of being part of both state and Federal government, yet are rather throwing hissy fits because their region isn't the powerbroker anymore. But hey, that sense of entitlement is nothing new.

[The Serbian Empire]

If you make anti-gerrymandering maps, the Democrats could in theory have all the seats or none of them dependent on the feelings of suburban white voters, a volatile group prone to being swayed from one party to another dependent on the competency of the incumbents. A Republican decided that they couldn't afford to lower taxes, the voters are spurned from them and vote Democrat. Democrat promised no new taxes yet raises them? Republicans take over. That's how fickle suburban voters are.

They swing for sure.
Or they just want to pay no taxes, which means that the state can try and pull a Vetinari on them.

It's almost as if both parties agree to the gerrymandering as to assure representation is stable otherwise the politicians have no job security on the whims of suburban voters.

[The balkens]

Or what Seattle wants, Washington gets. Funny enough, part of the intelligentsia tends to favor independence for Scotland, Catalonia, etc. However when it comes to "devolution" for local and state governments in the US -heaven forbid that "neo-Confederacy" nonsense should occur.

Fuck Seattle.

Them and the Californians ruin everything.

California, the state that as its head SO far up its own ass it could smell what it had for supper.

[Vespalian Federation]

I mean, what Chicago wants Illinois wants.

That doesn't seem fair either.

Or what Seattle wants, Washington gets. Funny enough, part of the intelligentsia tends to favor independence for Scotland, Catalonia, etc. However when it comes to "devolution" for local and state governments in the US -heaven forbid that "neo-Confederacy" nonsense should occur.

I find that stupid.
It's not a giveaway to racist shitbags, or it shouldn't be, to reorganize the US's counties as federal units of the States and the whole country at least. It's giving more power to the people.

True.
I dunno if my proposition would work to fix that, but I thought maybe transferring some power away from the state government, giving guaranteed rights to counties, and taking redistricting out of the hands of particrats could help.
As an aside, are you a resident in Illinois?

no, but know people as a result of living so close to chicago.

They wouldn't mind having it be burnt down again if it meant them not having to deal with it.

Dang, that city's inspired so much hate? I'm disappointed that there wasn't some attempt to mitigate that.

[The Serbian Empire]

Fuck Seattle.

Them and the Californians ruin everything.

California, the state that as its head SO far up its own ass it could smell what it had for supper.

The state also known for being a bureaucratic morass that some compare to Italy.

[The balkens]

Its because the usual response is "nobody cares about what those lazy hillbillies and corn fuckers think".

its disgusting.

[Vespalian Federation]

Or what Seattle wants, Washington gets. Funny enough, part of the intelligentsia tends to favor independence for Scotland, Catalonia, etc. However when it comes to "devolution" for local and state governments in the US -heaven forbid that "neo-Confederacy" nonsense should occur.

Fuck Seattle.

Them and the Californians ruin everything.

Federalize California and Washington 2020?

California, the state that as its head SO far up its own ass it could smell what it had for supper.

The state also known for being a bureaucratic morass that some compare to Italy.

I don't doubt that whatever caused that reputation needs to change.

[Grave_n_idle]

Doesn't justify the rurality getting special voting rights.

I mean, what Chicago wants Illinois wants.

That doesn't seem fair either.

A quarter of the population lives in the city. Of the population that doesn't live there, the majority rely on the Chicago Metropolitan area either directly or indirectly - either for work, or as a conduit for trade.

It might offend the sensibilities of the good people of Rantoul, but their population of 12,000 and their local importance in skydiving just doesn't politically compete with Chicago. And shouldn't.

[The Portland Territory]

Nyet. Though I would support an Armenian-styled Electoral District System where districts are created where each district has roughly the same amount of people. Then again, it would be hard to maintain with a massively growing population ;-;

[Vespalian Federation]

They swing for sure.
Or they just want to pay no taxes, which means that the state can try and pull a Vetinari on them.

It's almost as if both parties agree to the gerrymandering as to assure representation is stable otherwise the politicians have no job security on the whims of suburban voters.

To the pits of Lorrd with the politicians.
They need to have that power stripped from them.

[Conserative Morality]

Its because the usual response is "nobody cares about what those lazy hillbillies and corn fuckers think".

its disgusting.

Yes, yes, and the rural population can't stand those fucking welfare leeches and liberal elitists.

Hatred wells up out of the villages, contempt flashes back from the castles. Neither possession nor power nor calling produced this abyss between the "lives." Logical justification for it there is none. It is metaphysical nature.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Fuck Seattle.

Them and the Californians ruin everything.

Federalize California and Washington 2020?

I'm down for anything that doesn't let Seattle boss us around.

[Grave_n_idle]

Its because the usual response is "nobody cares about what those lazy hillbillies and corn fuckers think".

its disgusting.

I think it's more that a village with a population of 100, 12 of which are tractors, 38 of which are goats - just doesn't speak for the concerns of the average Illinoisian.

[The balkens]

Federalize California and Washington 2020?

I'm down for anything that doesn't let Seattle boss us around.

Or maybe saw it off and let it sink?

[The balkens]

Its because the usual response is "nobody cares about what those lazy hillbillies and corn fuckers think".

its disgusting.

I think it's more that a village with a population of 100, 12 of which are tractors, 38 of which are goats - just doesn't speak for the concerns of the average Illinoisian.

pretty sure neither does chicago, which is just ONE part of the state.

[Vespalian Federation]

Nyet. Though I would support an Armenian-styled Electoral District System where districts are created where each district has roughly the same amount of people. Then again, it would be hard to maintain with a massively growing population ;-;

That's what actually happens under the last Apportionment Act, passed in the 30s. It's why we have 435 seats in the House of Representatives and no proportional representation.
Problem is, as far as I know it's mainly under the control of particrats in each state legislature.

I mean, what Chicago wants Illinois wants.

That doesn't seem fair either.

A quarter of the population lives in the city. Of the population that doesn't live there, the majority rely on the Chicago Metropolitan area either directly or indirectly - either for work, or as a conduit for trade.

It might offend the sensibilities of the good people of Rantoul, but their population of 12,000 and their local importance in skydiving just doesn't politically compete with Chicago. And shouldn't.

But surely it doesn't mean that Champaign and the other Illinois counties can't have unalienable rights as part of a federation?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm down for anything that doesn't let Seattle boss us around.

Or maybe saw it off and let it sink?

Yes please.

[The balkens]

Or maybe saw it off and let it sink?

Yes please.

"Much of Southern California, Seattle and Chicago have appeared to have disappeared up their own assholes, Rural residents rejoiced while Democrats are suddenly jobless"

[Vespalian Federation]

I'm down for anything that doesn't let Seattle boss us around.

Or maybe saw it off and let it sink?

...I'd rather not.
They might be pricks, but prickishness doesn't deny the right to live.

Federalize California and Washington 2020?

I'm down for anything that doesn't let Seattle boss us around.

Nice! I do hope that my plan will succeed in that effort. At first I thought it involved the state stripping local areas of powers they previously held at the behest of the cities, but if it's more than just that more than a federation of counties with inalienable rights will be needed.

[Mike the Progressive]

Or what Seattle wants, Washington gets. Funny enough, part of the intelligentsia tends to favor independence for Scotland, Catalonia, etc. However when it comes to "devolution" for local and state governments in the US -heaven forbid that "neo-Confederacy" nonsense should occur.

Probably has something to do with the fact that regionalists in the US aren't asking to break away from the country as a whole, continue to receive all the benefits of being part of both state and Federal government, yet are rather throwing hissy fits because their region isn't the powerbroker anymore. But hey, that sense of entitlement is nothing new.

I think it's more than a sense of entitlement, but a general frustration that to win a statewide election all you need is the victory of a specific county or municipality.

[The Portland Territory]

Its because the usual response is "nobody cares about what those lazy hillbillies and corn fuckers think".

its disgusting.

I think it's more that a village with a population of 100, 12 of which are tractors, 38 of which are goats - just doesn't speak for the concerns of the average Illinoisian.

Likewise the other way. I live in the Country-Redneck Portion of Rhode Island and most people here are Trump supporters or just Right-Leaning. And we have a couple thousand people. Democrats in the state definitely have a lead in the State Senate and House, and they should, but not a 32-6 lead. What I'm saying is that while urban centers should be more dominant because of their population, they should not be given special treatment and become the deciders of an election.

[The balkens]

Probably has something to do with the fact that regionalists in the US aren't asking to break away from the country as a whole, continue to receive all the benefits of being part of both state and Federal government, yet are rather throwing hissy fits because their region isn't the powerbroker anymore. But hey, that sense of entitlement is nothing new.

I think it's more than a sense of entitlement, but a general frustration that to win a statewide election all you need is the victory of a specific county or municipality.

Which means you only cater to those voters in that area.

You could care less about the others as long as Cook County votes for you.

[Vespalian Federation]

Probably has something to do with the fact that regionalists in the US aren't asking to break away from the country as a whole, continue to receive all the benefits of being part of both state and Federal government, yet are rather throwing hissy fits because their region isn't the powerbroker anymore. But hey, that sense of entitlement is nothing new.

I think it's more than a sense of entitlement, but a general frustration that to win a statewide election all you need is the victory of a specific county or municipality.

Demographic concentration can be a problem, yes.
I don't think I have anything in my batch of ideas to fix having 60% of the population live in one city, though. The closest I can think of is PR- proportional representation. There's no way King County actually votes 100% Democrat, or has ever done so.

[Mike the Progressive]

I think it's more than a sense of entitlement, but a general frustration that to win a statewide election all you need is the victory of a specific county or municipality.

Which means you only cater to those voters in that area.

You could care less about the others as long as Cook County votes for you.

It's like campaigning primarily in select states because they could flip the election while ignoring the other 42 states.