Opinions on Muslim Ban

[Azurius]

Historians?

You're only proving that these experts don't exist, and you're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

So historians don´t exist? Kay

And where are YOUR sources? YOUR experts and YOUR proof? Where is that oh wise and all knowing one?

[United Marxist Nations]

Who are these experts?

Historians?

And who are and where are your sources? Your bible? Your belief? Start by yourself before you criticize others, as the bible famously says:

"Pull out the splinter out of your own eye before you attempt to remove it out of others."

I did give a source, which you will see if you look at the replies to your posts.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You're only proving that these experts don't exist, and you're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

So historians don´t exist?

Given you haven't named them nor linked to their works I'm very confident in saying they don't exist.

[Laissez-Faire Economics]

That isn't the first option. The first option says that we would give Muslims even easier access than anyone else. I'm talking about maintaining the system we have now.

"No, there should be no restrictions on Muslims coming in the US" is not giving muslims even easier access than anyone else.

They are getting the same option as jewish people, christian people, or any other kind of people.

Ah, I see. I had been interpreting it as "Muslims should face no restrictions when entering the US," not as "the US should not impose special restrictions on Muslims".

Fucking ambiguous sentence structure.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Because you yourself are also causing harm by deporting people back to a pontentially awful country, that they may have personal reasons for not wanting to say they are from there

What harm?
And just because some countries are worse doesn't mean they are entitled to come here. Refugee status is different from immigration status, though as we've seen, that too may need revisiting since hundreds of thousands of """Refugees"""" from Syria are just immigrants claiming asylum status and telling us they come from Syria.

Your policy is one of literally throwing open the doors to the entire third world.

I could accept that if they would integrate in meaningful numbers, but they do not. Why should the west be overrun and have our culture forced to conform to theirs?

Why should they be trapped in a country because they were born there?

[Ostroeuropa]

My issue with Islamic immigrants is cultural. I don't expect religious minorities from the third world to be any better, and indeed, have already posted saying i'm fine with banning christians from the third world too.

So if they're from the land of do as you're told, hail the dictator and kill subversives, they're banned?

Partially, but it's more a case of rampant misogyny, homophobia, tribalism and racism. But banning from dictatorships is a start.

[Azurius]

Historians?

And who are and where are your sources? Your bible? Your belief? Start by yourself before you criticize others, as the bible famously says:

"Pull out the splinter out of your own eye before you attempt to remove it out of others."

Give us the names of these historians.

I don´t have them at hand and would need to search for them, but I can do that later.

In the meantime how about YOU show us some proof otherwise?

Also that countless wars, genocides and other ways of starving people existed in the dozens throughout history cannot be denied either.

And if so you are free to revise history completely and show us evidence that this all never happened.

[United Marxist Nations]

You're only proving that these experts don't exist, and you're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

So historians don´t exist? Kay

And where are YOUR sources? YOUR experts and YOUR proof? Where is that oh wise and all knowing one?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/books ... wanted=all

At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century. Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion. War has several other effects on population, including decreasing the birthrate by taking men away from their wives. The reduced birthrate during World War II is estimated to have caused a population deficit of more than 20 million people.

Who are these historians and where do they make these assertions?

[Aelex]

Honestly, I would have no problems on banning arabic muslim unskilled immigration as said people proved that they're unable to be assimilated into the local culture. Christians, Jews, Yazidi and pretty much every other religious denomination don't have this problem and integrate easily so they, however, shouldn't be barred.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

But thats not banning muslims, thats banning everyone from a country.

My issue with Islamic immigrants is cultural. I don't expect religious minorities from the third world to be any better, and indeed, have already posted saying i'm fine with banning christians from the third world too.

Then your not cool with banning muslims, your cool with banning people from third world countries.

That's something completely different.

[Ostroeuropa]

What harm?
And just because some countries are worse doesn't mean they are entitled to come here. Refugee status is different from immigration status, though as we've seen, that too may need revisiting since hundreds of thousands of """Refugees"""" from Syria are just immigrants claiming asylum status and telling us they come from Syria.

Your policy is one of literally throwing open the doors to the entire third world.

I could accept that if they would integrate in meaningful numbers, but they do not. Why should the west be overrun and have our culture forced to conform to theirs?

Why should they be trapped in a country because they were born there?

They aren't. They just shouldn't be let into ours. It's not like we're the only destination.

[Yodle]

Because you yourself are also causing harm by deporting people back to a pontentially awful country, that they may have personal reasons for not wanting to say they are from there

What harm?
And just because some countries are worse doesn't mean they are entitled to come here. Refugee status is different from immigration status, though as we've seen, that too may need revisiting since hundreds of thousands of """Refugees"""" from Syria are just immigrants claiming asylum status and telling us they come from Syria.

Your policy is one of literally throwing open the doors to the entire third world.

I could accept that if they would integrate in meaningful numbers, but they do not. Why should the west be overrun and have our culture forced to conform to theirs?

Who said we had to conform to their culture?

[Vashty]

Honestly, I would have no problems on banning arabic muslim unskilled immigration as said people proved that they're unable to be assimilated into the local culture. Christians, Jews, Yazidi and pretty much every other religious denomination don't have this problem and integrate easily so they, however, shouldn't be barred.

They do integrate.
They integrate so much, you don't notice it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Give us the names of these historians.

I don´t have them at hand and would need to search for them, but I can do that later.

In the meantime how about YOU show us some proof otherwise?

Also that countless wars, genocides and other ways of starving people existed in the dozens throughout history cannot be denied either.

And if so you are free to revise history completely and show us evidence that this all never happened.

You've just proven you're talking out of your ass, I don't need to do anything.

[Azurius]

So historians don´t exist? Kay

And where are YOUR sources? YOUR experts and YOUR proof? Where is that oh wise and all knowing one?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/books ... wanted=all

At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century. Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion. War has several other effects on population, including decreasing the birthrate by taking men away from their wives. The reduced birthrate during World War II is estimated to have caused a population deficit of more than 20 million people.

Who are these historians and where do they make these assertions?

Again and where is your proof to back up any of your claims?

You know kid: I got history and facts on my side here. What do you have at your side here other then your own oppinion?

[Laissez-Faire Economics]

So if they're from the land of do as you're told, hail the dictator and kill subversives, they're banned?

Partially, but it's more a case of rampant misogyny, homophobia, tribalism and racism. But banning from dictatorships is a start.

Exactly why should we doom those people to the oppression of dictators?

[United Marxist Nations]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/books ... wanted=all



Who are these historians and where do they make these assertions?

Again and where is your proof to back up any of your claims?

You know kid: I got history and facts on my side here. What do you have at your side here other then your own oppinion?

You haven't laid out any facts at all, you've just pulled out unsourced figures out of your ass.

[Vashty]

What harm?
And just because some countries are worse doesn't mean they are entitled to come here. Refugee status is different from immigration status, though as we've seen, that too may need revisiting since hundreds of thousands of """Refugees"""" from Syria are just immigrants claiming asylum status and telling us they come from Syria.

Your policy is one of literally throwing open the doors to the entire third world.

I could accept that if they would integrate in meaningful numbers, but they do not. Why should the west be overrun and have our culture forced to conform to theirs?

Who said we had to conform to their culture?

Who said the fucking floodgates are opening? Bullshit.

[Azurius]

I don´t have them at hand and would need to search for them, but I can do that later.

In the meantime how about YOU show us some proof otherwise?

Also that countless wars, genocides and other ways of starving people existed in the dozens throughout history cannot be denied either.

And if so you are free to revise history completely and show us evidence that this all never happened.

You've just proven you're talking out of your ass, I don't need to do anything.

No but okay. And the only one clearly talking out of his ass here is you. Which is why you so far provided nothing other then strawmans and insults. If not then again, you are free to cite sources and historical facts to prove me wrong.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why should they be trapped in a country because they were born there?

They aren't. They just shouldn't be let into ours. It's not like we're the only destination.

But they come to the first world to succeed. My therapist is Nigerian. My roomates eye doctor is Arabic, hell one of my best friends moved from Africa to France for an education. To prevent them from leaving their countries, you are limiting their chances of success

[Laissez-Faire Economics]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/books ... wanted=all



Who are these historians and where do they make these assertions?

Again and where is your proof to back up any of your claims?

You know kid: I got history and facts on my side here. What do you have at your side here other then your own oppinion?

Neither of you are citing your sources, and this back-and-forth "prove it!" shouting match is just getting irritating. Back up your claims, please.

[Victoriala]

You're proposing to murder almost everyone on Earth.

That's silly.

No. I'm not. We could give them an offer they can't refuse.

• They are forced to take psychiatric treatment. Often you can cure from a delusional disorder.
• Or we'll send them to the moon.

The religious ones killed enough people on the planet. Enough is enough.

This is the sound of fedoras tipping in text form.

[Vedilia]

So if they're from the land of do as you're told, hail the dictator and kill subversives, they're banned?

Partially, but it's more a case of rampant misogyny, homophobia, tribalism and racism. But banning from dictatorships is a start.

Eh, okay.

[Aelex]

I don´t have them at hand and would need to search for them, but I can do that later.

In the meantime how about YOU show us some proof otherwise?

Also that countless wars, genocides and other ways of starving people existed in the dozens throughout history cannot be denied either.

And if so you are free to revise history completely and show us evidence that this all never happened.

Burden of proof mate. You should know this concept yourself.
If you claim something, especially something as stupid and blablantly false as you did, then you're the one that need to give proof of the veracity of this assertation as it's not up to others to disprove it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You've just proven you're talking out of your ass, I don't need to do anything.

No but okay. And the only one clearly talking out of his ass here is you. Which is why you so far provided nothing other then strawmans and insults. If not then again, you are free to cite sources and historical facts to prove me wrong.

UMN already did provide a source for you, on the other hand you've offered nothing beyond "muh history". Either admit you're making shit up or give me the names of these historians.