Opinions on Muslim Ban

[The Princes of the Universe]

It only brings people together who believe more or less in the same god or gods.
And even in that case, they manage to butthurt and kill each other.
Sunni versus Shia
Catholic versus Protestant
Just to call some names.
Religion separates people more as it brings them together. Relgion is evil. Without a doubt.

>Catholic versus Protestant
Has that actually killed anyone since the death of Mary I?

IRELAND.

[Vassenor]

>Catholic versus Protestant
Has that actually killed anyone since the death of Mary I?

IRELAND.

Wasn't actually about religion.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It only brings people together who believe more or less in the same god or gods.
And even in that case, they manage to butthurt and kill each other.

Sunni versus Shia
Catholic versus Protestant

Just to call some names.

Religion separates people more as it brings them together. Relgion is evil. Without a doubt.

Atheism is evil, without a doubt.

Oh yes, the evil atheists do such evil things like....drink coffee.

Radical versions of religion, yes.

I still stand by my opinion that religion at its very core should bring people together and that it is a good thing.

It only brings people together who believe more or less in the same god or gods.
And even in that case, they manage to butthurt and kill each other.

Sunni versus Shia
Catholic versus Protestant

Just to call some names.

Religion separates people more as it brings them together. Relgion is evil. Without a doubt.

I don't know. It doesn't really feel evil to me.

[Nacesa Plana]

Ban immigrants for terrorist hot spots like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia,Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

Will not help. It's more likely that sooner or later an American Muslim will carry out a terrorist attack in USA.

It doesn't have to be a Muslim. It's a matter of time and a new Timothy McVeigh will reappear.

[Individual Concerns]

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Hey, let's validate all the Muslim extremists who've been saying it's Islam vs. Christianity! Let's prove them all right! Surely, no harm can possibly come of this?

I wouldnt encourage them, no, but pretending the guy stomping towards you with a baseball bat yelling about how bad he is going beat you down does not exist, is not really a defensive measure.

Anyway, I would not advocate bans on any one group.
Suspend US immigrarion entirely for a while, like we did from the 1920s to 60s, so we can better sort things out, sure.
But targeting any one particular people does not really help.

Besides, if you want to fortify against and ablate any percieved threats from within the domestic Muslim community, best to address the Muslim Brotherhoods presence and influence within the federal bureaucracy. Their intentions are clearly ignoble, and they serve as poor shepards of and inspiration to their community.

[The Princes of the Universe]

IRELAND.

Wasn't actually about religion.

The hell it wasn't. Granted, Presbyterians were also persecuted, but Catholics took the brunt of it.

[Vassenor]

Ban immigrants for terrorist hot spots like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia,Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

Will not help. It's more likely that sooner or later an American Muslim will carry out a terrorist attack in USA.

It doesn't have to be a Muslim. It's a matter of time and a new Timothy McVeigh will reappear.

Pretty sure all the attacks in the US so far have been carried out by American-born individuals.

[Uxupox]

Wasn't actually about religion.

The hell it wasn't. Granted, Presbyterians were also persecuted, but Catholics took the brunt of it.

I guess the Independence wars in South America were also about religion?

[Kelinfort]

Immigration bans will not fix the issues with Islam and will only inflame anti-Western sentiment. In addition, this is blatantly unfair.

[Arvenia]

Not cool, Trump. Muslims are welcomed to USA.

[Nacesa Plana]

IRELAND.

Wasn't actually about religion.

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

[Azurius]

No my friend that is false, sorry. Since we do not have all records all we have are estimated numbers, however, experts estimate the following numbers:

About 1 billion people died because of christianity. Another 700 million via islam. These 2 religions alone killed more then anything except for capitalism, add other religions to it as well and you easily get numbers that even go higher then the deaths created by capitalism.

Please get sources to try and prove your point.

Please get sources to prove otherwise. Fact is all we have is estimations, but fact is also the wars and genocides done in the name of religion are many, too many to count in fact. So feel free to provide proof that it is not so.

[Ifreann]

It only brings people together who believe more or less in the same god or gods.
And even in that case, they manage to butthurt and kill each other.

Sunni versus Shia
Catholic versus Protestant

Just to call some names.

Religion separates people more as it brings them together. Relgion is evil. Without a doubt.

Atheism is evil, without a doubt.

We're usually better at it than this guy, though.

[Ifreann]

Wasn't actually about religion.

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

Fookin.

Lawl.

[Uxupox]

Wasn't actually about religion.

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

This is great.

[Azurius]

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Hey, let's validate all the Muslim extremists who've been saying it's Islam vs. Christianity! Let's prove them all right! Surely, no harm can possibly come of this?

I wouldnt encourage them, no, but pretending the guy stomping towards you with a baseball bat yelling about how bad he is going beat you down does not exist, is not really a defensive measure.

Anyway, I would not advocate bans on any one group.
Suspend US immigrarion entirely for a while, like we did from the 1920s to 60s, so we can better sort things out, sure.
But targeting any one particular people does not really help.

Besides, if you want to fortify against and ablate any percieved threats from within the domestic Muslim community, best to address the Muslim Brotherhoods presence and influence within the federal bureaucracy. Their intentions are clearly ignoble, and they serve as poor shepards of and inspiration to their community.

Well that would at least be fair to everyone. However there is a small problem with that: Unlike the 20s to 60s we today live in a globalized world, and doing that will seriously harm americas tourism and with that harm a lot of other parts of the economy that thrive also partially thanks to tourism.

I also think this sends the wrong message to the american people, as it will only further fortify paranioa, anxiety and ultimately xenophobic views.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Wasn't actually about religion.

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

[Vassenor]

Wasn't actually about religion.

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

There are Catholic unionists and Protestant nationalists. It's not as black and white as "OMG CATHOLIC VS PROTESTANT"

[The Huskar Social Union]

Wasn't actually about religion.

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

The Irish Civil war had nothing to do with Religion (well mostly did not), it was over the treaty that divided the country after the war of independence.

If you are referring to the Troubles in the North, whilst religion played a part in why many peopled were killed, it was also not the sole reason for the fighting.

[Azurius]

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

There are Catholic unionists and Protestant nationalists. It's not as black and white as "OMG CATHOLIC VS PROTESTANT"

Well true, but without a doubt it helped to fuel the entire irish civil war. It is indeed not black and white, in neither direction.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Well true, but without a doubt it helped to fuel the entire irish civil war. It is indeed not black and white, in neither direction.

Oh for the love of...

[Nacesa Plana]

Will not help. It's more likely that sooner or later an American Muslim will carry out a terrorist attack in USA.

It doesn't have to be a Muslim. It's a matter of time and a new Timothy McVeigh will reappear.

Pretty sure all the attacks in the US so far have been carried out by American-born individuals.

No. 911 wasn't. But mister Trump is a demagogue. He's lying to the people. By blocking Muslims, you are not blocking terrorism. The overwhelming majority of Muslims is not a terrorist and will never be one. There’s no point in blocking all the Muslims.

It’s like blocking all people with blue eyes, just because some American terrorist had blue eyes.

And inside USA you have ISIS-fanboys as well. It's a matter of time and they will become active.

Short term, we need to send boots to the kalifate and destroy ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
If there’s no kalifate, there’s less a goal in becoming a terrorist. We can fix this in 6 to 12 months.

Next, fix the Palestine-Israel sh*t.

In the long term we have to think about eliminating religions from the planet for good. It's better for the sapiens in general.

[Vassenor]

Also, McVeigh was an agnostic. So getting rid of the religious people won't end terrorism.

[Azurius]

Well true, but without a doubt it helped to fuel the entire irish civil war. It is indeed not black and white, in neither direction.

Oh for the love of...

I don´t get what your problem or point is. Even the article you linked in fact just proves my point that religious sentiments made the entire conflict worse, here are some small examples I found by overflying the article:

"The Catholic Church also supported the Free State, deeming it the lawful government of the country, denouncing the Anti-Treaty IRA and refusing to administer the Sacraments to anti-treaty fighters. On 10 October 1922, the Catholic Bishops of Ireland issued a formal statement, describing the anti-treaty campaign as:

[A] system of murder and assassination of the National forces without any legitimate authority... the guerrilla warfare now being carried on [by] the Irregulars is without moral sanction and therefore the killing of National soldiers is murder before God, the seizing of public and private property is robbery, the breaking of roads, bridges and railways is criminal. All who in contravention of this teaching, participate in such crimes are guilty of grievous sins and may not be absolved in Confession nor admitted to the Holy Communion if they persist in such evil courses.[51]

Churchmen were appalled by the ruthlessness and cruelty. The Church's support for the Free State aroused bitter hostility among some republicans. Although the Catholic Church in independent Ireland has often been seen as a triumphalist Church, a recent study has found that it felt deeply insecure after these events.[52]"

Or:

"Although the cause of the Civil War was the Treaty, as the war developed the Republicans sought to identify their actions with the traditional Republican cause of the "men of no property" and the result was that large Anglo-Irish landowners and some less well-off former Protestant Loyalists were attacked. A total of 192 "stately homes" of the old landed class were destroyed by Republicans during the war.[66"

To say that religion had no influence in the events is downright 1 sided, petty black and white thinking, and just false.

[Nacesa Plana]

If they shared the same religion or had no religion at all then there was probably no Irish Civil War.

There are Catholic unionists and Protestant nationalists. It's not as black and white as "OMG CATHOLIC VS PROTESTANT"

Suppose it were all Catholics.
Would there be Catholic unionists and Catholic nationalists if they shared the same religion? Probably is the answer ‘yes’.
The question is: in that case, was it worth to go at war with each other? Probably no.
While religion was not the main cause in that conflict, you can't ignore it and say it didn't play a role. It was still a very very important factor.